Windows 7 RTMs: Where’s Windows Live?

sinofskyballmerwin7goldmgx Our friend Brandon LeBlanc breathlessly announced the RTM of Windows 7 yesterday, surprising almost exactly no one that 7 would ship on time, ready for the holiday season.  Our congratulations to Microsoft and the Windows teams that made it happen, we’ve been using it for some time, are thoroughly impressed, and will be buying a 3-pack as soon as they ship, maybe more.

What is a bit more surprising, however, is the distinct lack of a shiny new Windows Live Wave 4 to complete the experience.  Remember that Windows Live is the replacement for features included in Windows for (software) generations: there’s no Mail, Photo Gallery, or Movie Maker included in Windows 7, clients need to be downloaded and installed to get the same functionality that you get with Vista or XP out of the box.

Of course the current version of Windows Live is ready and available, but it will be almost a year old when Windows 7 hits the shelves (Wave 3 was released as a beta in November of last year.  The final version was released in February, but was actually the same build number as the beta).  While Windows Live as it sits is certainly functional (well except for Movie Maker), it’s kind of like wearing old shoes with a new suit.

That’s not to say that new stuff isn’t coming.  At MGX ( the Microsoft internal sales meeting/rah rah event, held this year in Atlanta) Microsoft insiders were treated to a look at at least some of what’s coming.  Here’s some notes on what they saw, courtesy of a blog post by Stephen Rose, a Windows Sr. Community Manager:

What have I learned?

Day One

  • Some cool first looks at Windows Live. Cool stuff coming! Watch for more seamless integration between your desktops and mobile devices.
  • Great new photo and video sharing features in Photo Gallery and Windows Messenger.
  • …(some Windows 7 stuff)
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  • Next rev of Windows Movie maker coming soon. Watched a head to head demo against iMovie. Movie Maker is back!

Microsoft has changed course on how they run betas, and we’re not expecting any private, “managed” betas for Wave 4.  The shut down of the Windows Live Butterfly program, a group that had been specifically created to test and offer feedback on Windows Live offerings is a telling indication of that, and there are others.  We’re hearing that a Wave 4 public beta may be arriving at or near Windows 7 launch time in October, but it won’t be the same as offering a shiny new fully ready Windows Live, ready for launch.  Hopefully, however, the latest and greatest Windows Live will be worth the wait.

Comments

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/paperlock/default.aspx paperlock

    What wood like see in windows live wave 4.
    Next what wood like see in windows 8

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/Alber1690/default.aspx Alber1690

    “head to head demo against iMovie. Movie Maker is back!”

    That would certainly be something to watch out for…very exciting!

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/calum_2D00_cook/default.aspx calum-cook

    About Wave 4, I’m thinking… what else is really needed? Messenger has more features than anyone can possible use. Writer is very feature-rich. Some more photo editing options in Photo Gallery would be nice, I guess, but I can think of nothing else that’s needed. Aside from the almost guaranteed sweeping UI change (yet again) on the web and desktop apps, I think this will be a minor release of the Live suite. The big news will probably be Movie Maker.

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/Mephiles/default.aspx Mephiles

    Wave 4 should be released on October 22 2009, which means there will be betas soon (hopefully).

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/paperlock/default.aspx paperlock

    Social Desktop wood great if it is part of windows live wave 4
    http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/SocialDesktop/

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/CalumJR/default.aspx CalumJR

    I really wish they’d just decided to get a new version of Windows Live (wave 4) ready for the Windows 7 release. Whether it has many new features/UI changes or not, a new version of Windows Live should be released when a new version of Windows is released.

    I agree that it is a bit disapointing (even though I didn’t expect it because of when the last versions were released, releasing a new one this October 22nd just makes sense!)

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/CalumJR/default.aspx CalumJR

    @calum-cook -

    All I really need (and no, not ‘want’, ‘need’) is Windows Live Messenger to support IRC. I doubt it will, but it’s a feature I really need in order to enjoy my Windows 7 experience as much as possible. This is because, for applications I use regularly and also pin to my taskbar, when using Windows 7, I like to use just Microsoft applications, especially those which link to Windows, like Windows Live.

    I use the Zune software over iTunes now and it really is so much better. I’ve even started using Expression Design over Photoshop. The only exception at the moment is the fact I use Firefox and that is because Internet Explorer 8 just really is an appalling browser, overall, even if it does have some nice features. I’m hoping Gazelle will be much better and then I would be able to switch to that.

    Anyway, to get back to my point, I need WLMessenger to suport IRC for this reason – because I’d like to start using the Neowin IRC regularly. As a staff member there, I’m missing out on a lot of things, but I just don’t want some random, little program, seperate from my IM client. I’d like my IM client to be used to all types of chat – IM (Windows Live & Facebook) and IRC. It makes sense to me.

    I’ve tried Digsby & whilst it’s nice, Windows Live Messenger is just better in my opinion.

  • http://www.roboticbartender.com briguy992

    Actually, if you look at the RTM signing video MS posted yesterday, the YouTube comment said it was made using “Windows Live Movie Maker (soon to be released) “, which I assume is the Wave 4 Movie Maker…

  • JohnCz

    I guess they can remove the Movie Maker feature for posting video to SoapBox. :) Seriously though, I think SkyDrive could be used as a SoapBox replacement. All MSN and Microsoft partners would have to do is aggregate video content stored in SkyDrive “Public” folder across all users. If they do something like this, I want the player to be done in Silverlight.

    As for Wave 4 wishes…
    - Update Live Mail…search only in specified folder (currently searches across all folders), list new/unread items only (there is a count next to the folder name but no way to easily list just those).
    - Integrate Live Video Messages into Live Mail, Windows Live Mail. There really is no reason for having this service as a separate from Live Mail.
    - Consolidate Syncing services…I assume behind Live Mesh. Ideally, I’d like to see Live Mesh storage rolled into Live SkyDrive and have Live Mesh Desktop as an “optional” view in Live SkyDrive. The Live Mesh Device Ring, should also be easily accessible from Live Header Menu. Live Mesh shouldn’t “feel” like its being developed in parallel.
    - Integrate Office Live Small Business and Office Live Workspaces with Live. I’m sure what that should look like but I will assume Live Header Menu will have direct links. Perhaps, Office Live Workspace could be integrated into Live SkyDrive. And Perhaps, Office Live Small Business…can have its contacts located in Contact Manager more accessible to Live Mail/Windows Live Mail.
    - Finally, I’d like to see a Windows Live App Store where you can download/purchase “Live Mesh” apps (although I prefer if we just referred to them as Windows Live Apps).

  • JohnCz

    …oh one more…major update to Live Toolbar is needed in my opinion.

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/emiliano84/default.aspx emiliano84

    a calendar update for better sync with outlokk/live and mobile!!!

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/paperlock/default.aspx paperlock

    Hear are some live mesh apps.
    http://www.microsoftmeshpack.com/
    Can any body tell me when windows live gallery is going updated.
    http://gallery.live.com/
    Next question whats going with windows live frameit.
    http://frameit.live.com/
    And is windows live Video Messages is going updated two windows live wave 3
    Windows live Silverlight Streaming is it going bee updated soon.
    http://silverlight.live.com/

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/nikhil_5F00_jain/default.aspx nikhil_jain

    What about the integration of windows Live Messenger with other majore IM such as gtalk, aim, facebook etc…??

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/foaf/default.aspx foaf

    While shiny new products are always welcome, I think the Windows Live Team need to focus on ensuring that 90% of Windows 7 users download the Windows Live suite as soon as they get their shiny new OS.

    Wave 3 is fine for this, as they are stable apps and the common user needs stability, not beta’s, especially when they are trying to get a new PC up and running.

    So for me the WL Team should be marketing WL crazily for the run up to general release. Is there a “Download Windows Live” icon on the desktop of W7?

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/reportered/default.aspx reportered

    Messenger – Spell Check!
    Mail – Support for the new Bing Search to add images / videos into emails
    SkyDrive – Video hosting

  • http://msftandthefuture.spaces.live.com/ Quikboy

    Windows Live Suite – Add more features to the applications, particularly Live Mail and Live Photo Gallery.

    Windows Live Web – More integration, knock off redundant services, and please update ALL services to the latest Wave 4 UI. Wouldn’t hurt to add other new things too.

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/paperlock/default.aspx paperlock

    So what sould in windows live wave 5
    And the big question when can we all see windows 8

  • JohnCz

    @paperlock, why ask about wave 5 when you or no else for that matter knows what will be included in wave 4.

    Windows 8? ummm, we probably won’t hear about it until PDC 2010.

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/lord_5F00_canti86/default.aspx lord_canti86

    I don’t foresee a lot of interface changes from Wave 3 to Wave 4. I do see improvements with integration between the online Live services and the desktop apps. I really hope that the online interface of Mail/People/Calendar is brought more in line with the interfaces of the other online services.

  • http://www.liveside.net/members/mcrobbiegt/default.aspx mcrobbiegt

    @Mephiles,

    How do you know that Live 4 will be realeased in October 22nd?