Windows Live Office spotted in the new Wave 4 header – replacement for Windows Live Docs (and Office Live)?

Remember earlier this year we showed you the new Windows Live Wave 4 header? Well it seems like there has been some changes to the header lately, in particular, it seems like there is a slight rebrand for one of the new services – Windows Live Docs. Here’s a screenshot of the latest Wave 4 header (M3 build):

Windows Live Wave 4 Header

Compare this to the last one we showed you back in January (from M2 build):

Wave 4 M2 header

Notice that Docs has been rebranded to Office. Not only this, but it seems like the new service will no longer reside on http://docs.live.com but at http://office.live.com. This seems to confirm that our previous speculation that Windows Live Docs will be the replacement for Office Live (which currently resides on http://office.live.com). It appears that the new Windows Live Office will be based on SkyDrive, much like how Windows Live Photos is like, but customised for managing documents (think Office Live Workspace). Let’s take a closer look at the Office menu, which seems to indicate that Windows Live Groups Wave 4 is also changing its focus to be the place where you collaborate and share documents:

Office menu

Oh and let’s not forget about Windows Live Mobile Wave 4. It seems like there will be a version of Windows Live Office for the mobile web too (compare this to the M2 menu on the right we’ve posted earlier this year):

M3 Build (new) M2 Build (old)
Windows Live Mobile Wave 4 M3 1157_IMG_5F00_0047_5F00_6AE56750

You’ve probably heard about the new Docs.com service for Facebook – could this be the reason why Microsoft decided to rebrand the Windows Live Docs service to Windows Live Office? Although we do think the new name, Windows Live Office, sounds better (two brands in one!).

In related news, Mary Jo Foley spotted the fine prints in the newly released Office Web Apps Product Guides which seem to indicate that Office Web Apps final will be released in “second half of 2010”. The final version will include OneNote Web App as well as editing in Word Web App, plus the ability to co-author Word, PowerPoint and OneNote documents stored on SkyDrive using the Office 2010 client applications (Note: Word and PowerPoint Web Apps do not support co-authoring). Last month, Long Zheng received tips from Microsoft that the final version of Office Web Apps will be released together with Windows Live Wave 4. Judging from Chris Jones’s post yesterday, the following timeline is supposed to happen:

  1. Limited beta expanded to people outside of Microsoft (web services + Essentials)
  2. Windows Live Wave 4 web services rolled out
  3. Windows Live Essentials Wave 4 beta released to public (for Windows PCs, Macs (??), and phones)
  4. Windows Live Essentials Wave 4 final release

So are we expected to find Office Web Apps final to be released along with the Windows Live Wave 4 web services? Or with the final release of Windows Live Essentials Wave 4? If “second half of 2010” is the actual timeframe, I certainly hope that it is the latter, meaning that at least we’d be able to get our hands on the other Windows Live Wave 4 web services before then. Only time will tell…

Remember that the screenshots posted here are still in development and are subject to change.

Comments

  • Rafa

    What is the difference between Windows Live Docs, Office Live, Office Web Apps, Docs on Facebook and Windows Live Office? Why can’t they have just one product?

    • Damaster – LiveSide.net

      Forget Windows Live Docs and Office Live, they’re getting replaced.

      - Windows Live Office will be the place where you manage and share your documents with your Windows Live friends.
      - Docs.com for Facebook is where you share your documents with Facebook friends (non-Windows Live related, it’s purely a Facebook app).
      - Office Web Apps is the technology underlying both of these two services that lets you view and edit Office documents in high fidelity

      Hope that helps!

      • http://about.me/mackenzieprice mackenziepricee

        I understand 100%.
        Still, this is to confusing. I just want them all to work together.
        Dammit Microsoft.

  • http://twitter.com/jwk6 Jason Kohlhoff

    Rafa,
    Windows Live Docs -> Windows Live Office
    Office Live -> Windows Live Ofiice
    i.e. those products will go away.

    Office Web Apps = On-premise(installed) or Hosted Service for Enterprise
    Docs on Facebook = Windows Live Office integrated with Facebook
    Windows Live Office = Consumers

    Each product serves a different market. Well, except for Docs on Facebook which is pure genius actually.

  • JohnCz

    So long as they don’t disturb my Office Live Small Business site, business apps and email, I’m fine with this. It will be interesting to see what changes occur with OfficeLive.com.

  • JohnCz

    It looks like they are pushing the public SkyDrive service to more of a underlying platform service. I’m guessing but I think files will still be stored on skydrive.live.com and shouldn’t impact any web links/embed code you’ve placed on blogs/etc. The downside to this renaming, I don’t see in these screenshots a logical place to upload short Videos? Hopefully the Photos menu has a dropdown menu that includes Video as a sibling.

    • Damaster – LiveSide.net

      SkyDrive will stay in Wave 4 – and still available at http://skydrive.live.com. Think of “Windows Live Office” similar to how “Windows Live Photos” currently works – it’s a specialised vertical that’s built on top of SkyDrive. So you have Photos for managing albums, and Office for managing documents. Other types of files can still be managed using the regular SkyDrive.

      But you’re correct that SkyDrive does seem to be more of a underlying storage platform, especially with the whole Live Mesh/Live Sync integration coming in Wave 4.

  • JohnCz

    Consolidating OL Workspace collaborative features with the general discussions in Live Groups makes sense. In OL Workspaces, discussions were limited to folders. Live Mesh had the same issue.

  • JohnCz

    With these menu changes, I think it is a fair bet that the Windows Live button in Bing Toolbar will see a major update. As it stands today, it does nothing…its just a placeholder.

  • Am I crazy

    Wait if they own docs.com why not use that as the central place. Seems appropiate. Microsoft always wants to make the simplest things complicated.

    • http://about.me/mackenzieprice mackenziepricee

      +1
      Going to docs.com should let you create a document thats goes on your SkyDrive, then if you want put it on your Facebook also..

  • The Fake Guy

    Here’s what i noticed on the page no 187 of Microsoft Office 2010 Product Guide(.pdf):

    “Office Web Apps require a free Windows Live ID. OneNote Web App and editing via Word Web App will become available on Windows Live in the second half of calendar year 2010.”

    The Office 2010 Product Guides are available for download at the Microsoft Download Center: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=e690baf0-9b9a-4c47-88da-3a84f3e9b247&displaylang=en

    (I downloaded the Microsoft Office 2010 Product Guide.pdf 6.1 MB)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=551119507 Brent Vermilyea

    It looks utterly fantastic. Nice improvement. I like that MSFT is focusing on the big boys. Hotmail. Messenger. Office. Good stuff.