Google Graveyard? Microsoft throws stones from its glass house

By Kip Kniskern | Posted November 2, 2011 82 comments

On Halloween, Tom Rizzo, a SharePoint Senior Director, poked some fun and threw some stones at rival Google, commenting on Google’s plan to retire Google Wave, and more.  He went so far as to create a Halloween graphic, featuring what he called “poorly planned products and a long list of failures” 

Of course we got quite the chuckle out of the post, as we can’t think of a better example of “the pot calling the kettle black”. In fact, we were prompted to modify the graveyard (even though our Halloween candy is long gone, some 2 days later):

microsoft-graveyard

Rizzo proceeded, somewhat amazingly, to fault Google for their cancellations, noting that as a marketer, “(i)f we had adopted these Google tools, we would have lost our dialogues with millions of customers all over the world”.  Yeah, we know what that feels like.

We’ve seen so many Microsoft services come and go that we’ve come to tagging them “Deadpool”, and our incomplete list includes, of course, some strikingly similar products to those on the Google list, including Live Labs (Wikipedia has a more complete, and quite long, list).  Yet Rizzo can’t resist a pot shot at Google’s version, Google labs (which lasted longer than Live Labs did, by the way):

The recent killing of Google Labs is ironic to me. Google releases experimental products and tracks adoption to determine whether to continue providing them. Its products are like spaghetti, Google throws them up against the wall to see if they stick.

As users of Events, and OneCare, and Spaces, and (particularly painful) Soapbox, we know all too well the pain of a “haphazard and noncommittal” product management, with deliveries that “often fall short of expectations”.  Heck, we’ve been Windows Live users since 2005!

All we can say is, at least Google ships (we’re looking at you, Windows Live Essentials!).

Winking smile 

Posted November 2nd, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Category: Opinion
Tags: Deadpool, Google, Microsoft
  • http://twitter.com/surilamin surilamin

    Haha, the title sums up my thoughts exactly :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KTAHVKS2RNDWTQPHQEJALLRNEQ Adam Paris

      The title would be good if it was based on facts.

    • Anonymous

      What a biased trick of Liveside. I thought it was about Google’s failures. This is what I call objective and qualitative journalism.

  • http://twitter.com/surilamin surilamin

    Haha, the title sums up my thoughts exactly :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KTAHVKS2RNDWTQPHQEJALLRNEQ Adam Paris

      The title would be good if it was based on facts.

  • http://twitter.com/surilamin surilamin

    Haha, the title sums up my thoughts exactly :)

    • Anonymous

      What a biased trick of Liveside. I thought it was about Google’s failures. This is what I call objective and qualitative journalism.

  • http://twitter.com/surilamin surilamin

    Haha, the title sums up my thoughts exactly :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KTAHVKS2RNDWTQPHQEJALLRNEQ Adam Paris

      The title would be good if it was based on facts.

    • Rikikrik

      What a biased trick of Liveside. I thought it was about Google’s failures. This is what I call objective and qualitative journalism.

  • http://www.promptdesigns.com Rom

    What about the Kin?

  • http://www.promptdesigns.com Rom

    What about the Kin?

  • bernard

    Many Vista-era technologies are dead or as good as dead, such as Gadgets, SideShow and the Ultimate Extras.

    Windows 7 Sensors haven’t gotten a lot of interest either, I suppose it will be deprecated as well.

  • bernard

    Many Vista-era technologies are dead or as good as dead, such as Gadgets, SideShow and the Ultimate Extras.

    Windows 7 Sensors haven’t gotten a lot of interest either, I suppose it will be deprecated as well.

  • bernard

    Many Vista-era technologies are dead or as good as dead, such as Gadgets, SideShow and the Ultimate Extras.

    Windows 7 Sensors haven’t gotten a lot of interest either, I suppose it will be deprecated as well.

  • Anonymous

    At least people care when Google kills something off. Looking at the Microsoft list above, I see hardly anything I give a crap about. Why? Because I never got involved with any of them. 

    Several of the Google items are now replaced anyways. Google video->YouTube, Google Buzz->Google+, Google Wave influenced Docs and maybe part of +.

  • Anonymous

    At least people care when Google kills something off. Looking at the Microsoft list above, I see hardly anything I give a crap about. Why? Because I never got involved with any of them. 

    Several of the Google items are now replaced anyways. Google video->YouTube, Google Buzz->Google+, Google Wave influenced Docs and maybe part of +.

    • Anonymous

      Nobody gave a shit about Buzz, Wave, and the tons of other garbage that Google killed off. They didn’t care because they were all buggy pieces of crap that weren’t even fit for beta. Google sucks at software and they need to stop.

      • Anonymous

        You think google.com sucks?

    • Guest

      Funny! Because I never cared for any of those Google craps that got cancel and I did’t care when Google closed them and I don’t care if the close their current services.

      So don’t say “At least people care when Google kills something off” because many people don’t care about Google services..

      Plus many of those things you see here replaced (upgraded) as well:

      OneCare -> Microsoft Security Essential
      Zune Player -> Still exist an now all Windows Phone devices are Zune Player
      Windows Live Gallery -> Moved to Skydrive
      Courier -> Never exist to call it dead!
      IE9 support for XP -> Never exist again to call it dead!

      And just FYI, people care when Microsoft kills something off too.

    • Guest

      There has been an uproar when MS killed several of these products too. So your statement is patently false. Frankly, reading your activity stream, you sound like an Android fanboi and MS hater. Which would explain your posting here while supposedly not giving a crap about MS’s products.

      • Anonymous

        Wow, didn’t know I’d get jumped after posting over here…

        If you really dig deep on my activity stream (why would you look at all, though) you’ll see that I use Windows 7, Hotmail, Skydrive, and my phone is Windows Mobile.

        In fact I was merely agreeing with what this pro-MS blog posted (also subscribe to the RSS feed), so to claim what you claim is jumping to conclusions. Just because someone criticizes something doesn’t mean they are a fanboy for an opposing product. If you want to know who I hate, that’s Apple.

  • sonicyoof

    At least people care when Google kills something off. Looking at the Microsoft list above, I see hardly anything I give a crap about. Why? Because I never got involved with any of them. 

    Several of the Google items are now replaced anyways. Google video->YouTube, Google Buzz->Google+, Google Wave influenced Docs and maybe part of +.

    • Joe_HTH

      Nobody gave a shit about Buzz, Wave, and the tons of other garbage that Google killed off. They didn’t care because they were all buggy pieces of crap that weren’t even fit for beta. Google sucks at software and they need to stop.

      • sonicyoof

        You think google.com sucks?

    • Guest

      Funny! Because I never cared for any of those Google craps that got cancel and I did’t care when Google closed them and I don’t care if the close their current services.

      So don’t say “At least people care when Google kills something off” because many people don’t care about Google services..

      Plus many of those things you see here replaced (upgraded) as well:

      OneCare -> Microsoft Security Essential
      Zune Player -> Still exist an now all Windows Phone devices are Zune Player
      Windows Live Gallery -> Moved to Skydrive
      Courier -> Never exist to call it dead!
      IE9 support for XP -> Never exist again to call it dead!

      And just FYI, people care when Microsoft kills something off too.

    • Guest

      There has been an uproar when MS killed several of these products too. So your statement is patently false. Frankly, reading your activity stream, you sound like an Android fanboi and MS hater. Which would explain your posting here while supposedly not giving a crap about MS’s products.

      • sonicyoof

        Wow, didn’t know I’d get jumped after posting over here…

        If you really dig deep on my activity stream (why would you look at all, though) you’ll see that I use Windows 7, Hotmail, Skydrive, and my phone is Windows Mobile.

        In fact I was merely agreeing with what this pro-MS blog post (also subscribe to the RSS feed), so to claim what you claim is jumping to conclusions. Just because someone criticizes something doesn’t mean they are a fanboy for an opposing product. If you want to know who I hate, that’s Apple.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KTAHVKS2RNDWTQPHQEJALLRNEQ Adam Paris

    Like someone on MS News said:
    1. Courier was never released.
    2. OneCare is now MSSE3.
    3. Live Gallery is now integrated in SkyDrive
    4. XP has never been given IE9 support to start with
    5. Zune player is now Windows Phone 7

    And btw like sonicyoof said, most of the stuff Google services are much bigger in impact then what microsoft does.

    Maybe you should inform yourself better Kip before you are trying to be so called critical. Being critical is important, but with facts and not nonsense. It looks like you really wanted to fill that graveyard instead of providing a good overview.

    • Anonymous

      Enough said. Kip is an ignorant, clueless idiot who just made one massive fail. The biggest different between Google and Microsoft is Google sucks at software, and needs to stick to ads, data mining, and search, because they aren’t worth a damn at anything else.

      • Guest

        Wow. I think Kip gets it right far more than he gets it wrong. Anybody who cares about MS should have a hard time being universally positive after the mess Ballmer has made of the company.

        Even in this post, his only mistake is some of the product choices as several either were never released or live on in another form. But the main idea is valid: MS has a very full graveyard too.

        Still, it was effective marketing from Rizzo, particularly as it was more focused on the enterprise. He’s one of the few at MS who hasn’t lost his balls.

      • Guest

        10’s (100’s?) of millions of Chrome, Gmail, Gapps, and Android users apparently disagree.

        • Anonymous

          talk to the 50% of people who use IE, talk to the >500 million users of Hotmail, the users of Azure, and the 50% very satisfied rate of WP7

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KTAHVKS2RNDWTQPHQEJALLRNEQ Adam Paris

    Like someone on MS News said:
    1. Courier was never released.
    2. OneCare is now MSSE3.
    3. Live Gallery is now integrated in SkyDrive
    4. XP has never been given IE9 support to start with
    5. Zune player is now Windows Phone 7

    And btw like sonicyoof said, most of the stuff Google services are much bigger in impact then what microsoft does.

    Maybe you should inform yourself better Kip before you are trying to be so called critical. Being critical is important, but with facts and not nonsense. It looks like you really wanted to fill that graveyard instead of providing a good overview.

    • Anonymous

      not to mention that Microsoft supported the Zune HD for years longer than I bet google would

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KTAHVKS2RNDWTQPHQEJALLRNEQ Adam Paris

    Like someone on MS News said:
    1. Courier was never released.
    2. OneCare is now MSSE3.
    3. Live Gallery is now integrated in SkyDrive
    4. XP has never been given IE9 support to start with
    5. Zune player is now Windows Phone 7

    And btw like sonicyoof said, most of the stuff Google services are much bigger in impact then what microsoft does.

    Maybe you should inform yourself better Kip before you are trying to be so called critical. Being critical is important, but with facts and not nonsense. It looks like you really wanted to fill that graveyard instead of providing a good overview.

    • Anonymous

      Enough said. Kip is an ignorant, clueless idiot who just made one massive fail. The biggest different between Google and Microsoft is Google sucks at software, and needs to stick to ads, data mining, and search, because they aren’t worth a damn at anything else.

      • Guest

        Wow. I think Kip gets it right far more than he gets it wrong. Anybody who cares about MS should have a hard time being universally positive after the mess Ballmer has made of the company.

        Even in this post, his only mistake is some of the product choices as several either were never released or live on in another form. But the main idea is valid: MS has a very full graveyard too.

        Still, it was effective marketing from Rizzo, particularly as it was more focused on the enterprise. He’s one of the few at MS who hasn’t lost his balls.

        • Anonymous

          Microsoft is one of the oldest software companies in the industry, of course they’ll have a full graveyard.  it’ll be like saying that Microsoft discontinued Windows 3.1 or Netmeeting.  the point is that the software/services that microsoft discontinues gets replaced by something bigger and better.

          Perfect example is the Zune, WP7 has a Zune built in, no reason to carry two devices in your pocket that do the very same thing.

          Most of the time, when Google discontinues a service, the consumers are left with no other solutions.

          Hell, just now, all my friends that have android phones are getting rid of them because they won’t be getting the latest Android updates – for being an open source OS, seems very proprietary

          • Anonymous

            apparently the Motorola phones are actually auto-updating to the latest versions of Android

      • Guest

        10’s (100’s?) of millions of Chrome, Gmail, Gapps, and Android users apparently disagree.

        • Anonymous

          talk to the 50% of people who use IE, talk to the >500 million users of Hotmail, the users of Azure, and the 50% very satisfied rate of WP7

          • Anonymous

            appologies, Hotmail has about 400 million, while Windows Live has about 600 million.

    • Anonymous

      not to mention that Microsoft supported the Zune HD for years longer than I bet google would

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KTAHVKS2RNDWTQPHQEJALLRNEQ Adam Paris

    Like someone on MS News said:
    1. Courier was never released.
    2. OneCare is now MSSE3.
    3. Live Gallery is now integrated in SkyDrive
    4. XP has never been given IE9 support to start with
    5. Zune player is now Windows Phone 7

    And btw like sonicyoof said, most of the stuff Google services are much bigger in impact then what microsoft does. And the Zune Player is a product that gets cancelled if its not succesful. Thats really normal you know ;)

    Maybe you should inform yourself better Kip before you are trying to be so called critical. Being critical is important, but with facts and not nonsense. It looks like you really wanted to fill that graveyard instead of providing a good overview.

    And the big difference between MS and Google is that MS at least tries to support the community by giving an alternative and helping people have a good transition (Spaces –> WordPress). Google doesnt care. They just stop projects and dont care about the community.

    This is the real Graveyard and now it looks much less scary.
    http://i44.tinypic.com/2nk2quq.jpg

    • Joe_HTH

      Enough said. Kip is an ignorant, clueless idiot who just made one massive fail. The biggest different between Google and Microsoft is Google sucks at software, and needs to stick to ads, data mining, and search, because they aren’t worth a damn at anything else.

      • Guest

        Wow. I think Kip gets it right far more than he gets it wrong. Anybody who cares about MS should have a hard time being universally positive after the mess Ballmer has made of the company.

        Even in this post, his only mistake is some of the product choices as several either were never released or live on in another form. But the main idea is valid: MS has a very full graveyard too.

        Still, it was effective marketing from Rizzo, particularly as it was more focused on the enterprise. He’s one of the few at MS who hasn’t lost his balls.

        • Mestiphal

          Microsoft is one of the oldest software companies in the industry, of course they’ll have a full graveyard.  it’ll be like saying that Microsoft discontinued Windows 3.1 or Netmeeting.  the point is that the software/services that microsoft discontinues gets replaced by something bigger and better.

          Perfect example is the Zune, WP7 has a Zune built in, no reason to carry two devices in your pocket that do the very same thing.

          Most of the time, when Google discontinues a service, the consumers are left with no other solutions.

          Hell, just now, all my friends that have android phones are getting rid of them because they won’t be getting the latest Android updates – for being an open source OS, seems very proprietary

          • matthewthepc

            apparently the Motorola phones are actually auto-updating to the latest versions of Android

      • Guest

        10’s (100’s?) of millions of Chrome, Gmail, Gapps, and Android users apparently disagree.

        • matthewthepc

          talk to the 50% of people who use IE, talk to the >500 million users of Hotmail, the users of Azure, and the 50% very satisfied rate of WP7

          • matthewthepc

            appologies, Hotmail has about 400 million, while Windows Live has about 600 million.

    • matthewthepc

      not to mention that Microsoft supported the Zune HD for years longer than I bet google would

  • http://twitter.com/harlemS Travis Pope

    I gotta go with Kip on this one. The people who gave us Xbox LIVE Web games, Games for Windows Live, and MSN games can’t be seen throwing around jokes like that. He’s right it’s in bad taste.  In fact if someone wants to get pissy i’d argue that guy from Microsoft had no business posting that image to begin with. It was crass and an absolutely bad joke. 

  • http://twitter.com/harlemS Travis Pope

    I gotta go with Kip on this one. The people who gave us Xbox LIVE Web games, Games for Windows Live, and MSN games can’t be seen throwing around jokes like that. He’s right it’s in bad taste.  In fact if someone wants to get pissy i’d argue that guy from Microsoft had no business posting that image to begin with. It was crass and an absolutely bad joke. 

  • http://twitter.com/harlemS Travis Pope

    I gotta go with Kip on this one. The people who gave us Xbox LIVE Web games, Games for Windows Live, and MSN games can’t be seen throwing around jokes like that. He’s right it’s in bad taste.  In fact if someone wants to get pissy i’d argue that guy from Microsoft had no business posting that image to begin with. It was crass and an absolutely bad joke. 

  • Anonymous

    some of the things here are, and have been, supported by Microsoft for even up to a decade. XP support with IE? XP is a 10 year old OS that Microsoft’s supported for over ten years. I was surprised the Zune player was even kept at all for more than a year.

  • matthewthepc

    some of the things here are, and have been, supported by Microsoft for even up to a decade. XP support with IE? XP is a 10 year old OS that Microsoft’s supported for over ten years. I was surprised the Zune player was even kept at all for more than a year.

  • Anonymous

    some of the things here are, and have been, supported by Microsoft for even up to a decade. XP support with IE? XP is a 10 year old OS that Microsoft’s supported for over ten years. I was surprised the Zune player was even kept at all for more than a year.

  • Anonymous

    The difference is Microsoft was targeting businesses stating that those Google BUSINESS products are dead.  None of the Microsoft items in your graphic are business focused.

    • http://www.LiveSide.net Kip Kniskern – LiveSide.net

      You think Google Wave and Google Buzz were “business products?”  oh, come on.

  • frankwick

    The difference is Microsoft was targeting businesses stating that those Google BUSINESS products are dead.  None of the Microsoft items in your graphic are business focused.

    • http://www.LiveSide.net Kip Kniskern – LiveSide.net

      You think Google Wave and Google Buzz were “business products?”  oh, come on.

  • Anonymous

    The difference is Microsoft was targeting businesses stating that those Google BUSINESS products are dead.  None of the Microsoft items in your graphic are business focused.

    • http://www.LiveSide.net Kip Kniskern – LiveSide.net

      You think Google Wave and Google Buzz were “business products?”  oh, come on.

  • Stefan Nordendal

    Six Ways that Google Wave is Going to Change Your Business, Career and Life
    Look at the Google video presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ
    According to Google, Wave is “what email would look like if it was invented today.”

  • Stefan Nordendal

    Six Ways that Google Wave is Going to Change Your Business, Career and Life
    Look at the Google video presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ
    According to Google, Wave is “what email would look like if it was invented today.”

  • Stefan Nordendal

    Six Ways that Google Wave is Going to Change Your Business, Career and Life
    Look at the Google video presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ
    According to Google, Wave is “what email would look like if it was invented today.”

  • Guest

    The author is quite clueless about some services listed here.

  • Guest

    The author is quite clueless about some services listed here.

  • Guest

    The author is quite clueless about some services listed here.

  • Maha

    love the article, time to cut the crap, throw Google and Microsoft out, and get Apple *wink* *happy smile*

  • Maha

    love the article, time to cut the crap, throw Google and Microsoft out, and get Apple *wink* *happy smile*

  • Maha

    love the article, time to cut the crap, throw Google and Microsoft out, and get Apple *wink* *happy smile*

  • Anonymous

    Nobody gave a shit about Buzz, Wave, and the tons of other garbage that Google killed off. They didn’t care because they were all buggy pieces of crap that weren’t even fit for beta. Google sucks at software and they need to stop.

  • Guest

    Funny! Because I never cared for any of those Google craps that got cancel and I did’t care when Google closed them and I don’t care if the close their current services.

    So don’t say “At least people care when Google kills something off” because many people don’t care about Google services..

    Plus many of those things you see here replaced (upgraded) as well:

    OneCare -> Microsoft Security Essential
    Zune Player -> Still exist an now all Windows Phone devices are Zune Player
    Windows Live Gallery -> Moved to Skydrive
    Courier -> Never exist to call it dead!
    IE9 support for XP -> Never exist again to call it dead!

    And just FYI, people care when Microsoft kills something off too.

  • Guest

    There has been an uproar when MS killed several of these products too. So your statement is patently false. Frankly, reading your activity stream, you sound like an Android fanboi and MS hater. Which would explain your posting here while supposedly not giving a crap about MS’s products.

  • Anonymous

    Microsoft is one of the oldest software companies in the industry, of course they’ll have a full graveyard.  it’ll be like saying that Microsoft discontinued Windows 3.1 or Netmeeting.  the point is that the software/services that microsoft discontinues gets replaced by something bigger and better.

    Perfect example is the Zune, WP7 has a Zune built in, no reason to carry two devices in your pocket that do the very same thing.

    Most of the time, when Google discontinues a service, the consumers are left with no other solutions.

    Hell, just now, all my friends that have android phones are getting rid of them because they won’t be getting the latest Android updates – for being an open source OS, seems very proprietary

  • Anonymous

    apparently the Motorola phones are actually auto-updating to the latest versions of Android

  • Anonymous

    You think google.com sucks?

  • Anonymous

    Wow, didn’t know I’d get jumped after posting over here…

    If you really dig deep on my activity stream (why would you look at all, though) you’ll see that I use Windows 7, Hotmail, Skydrive, and my phone is Windows Mobile.

    In fact I was merely agreeing with what this pro-MS blog posted (also subscribe to the RSS feed), so to claim what you claim is jumping to conclusions. Just because someone criticizes something doesn’t mean they are a fanboy for an opposing product. If you want to know who I hate, that’s Apple.

  • Anonymous

    appologies, Hotmail has about 400 million, while Windows Live has about 600 million.