Windows Phone 7.8 (not 8) coming to some existing phones

By Kip Kniskern | Posted June 20, 2012 62 comments

One of the big questions for current Windows Phone questions has been whether or not current Windows Phones will be able to gain the benefits of the new operating system.  The Verge came up with a definitive answer today, talking to Microsoft’s Greg Sullivan just before the Windows Phone Summit this morning in San Francisco.

Microsoft announced a number of new platform improvements coming to Windows Phone 8, including a “Shared Windows Core”, support for multi-cores, NFC, Micro SD, and a new Start Screen, featuring new Live Tile sizes, resizing the home page to include 4 small tiles (or 2 medium, or 1 large) across:

wp-summit-0264 

The short answer is no, Windows Phone 8 will not be ported back to existing Windows Phones, mainly because Windows Phone 8’s improvements are mainly focused on new hardware improvements (multi-core, NFC, Micro SD, etc).  From The Verge:

Sullivan explained that "the nature of the investment [in Windows Phone 8] is primarily in areas that are not exploitable by existing hardware." Windows Phone 8 introduces support for multi-core processors, amongst other things, so the "Lumia 900 getting support for using dual-core or NFC doesn’t mean a lot," says Sullivan, "because it doesn’t have the hardware to take advantage of that." Microsoft decided to focus its efforts on Windows Phone 8 to make it as good as it possibly could. 

However, Microsoft will be making a software update, revealed as Windows Phone 7.8, to at least some existing phones, bringing the new Windows Phone Start Screen with its new Live Tile sizes.  The Verge tried to get more specifics on what phones will be getting upgraded, but Microsoft isn’t saying much more at this point:

"When you pull that Lumia out of your pocket after you’ve received that 7.8 update, it will look and feel the same as a Windows Phone 8 device," claims Sullivan. "Because you don’t have a multicore chip and don’t have some of these other elements, it didn’t make sense for us to make those investments for devices that couldn’t really exploit them." We pressed Sullivan for details on which devices will be upgradeable to Windows Phone 7.8, but he wouldn’t reveal specifics. "I think it’s safe to assume to latest generation of devices are a primary target," he said, pointing to the Lumia 900 as an example of a device that the company wants to "keep fresh."

We’ll have more on the new improvements in Windows Phone 8 soon.

Posted June 20th, 2012 at 10:25 am
  • http://www.andrewtechhelp.com/ Andrew Tech Help

    Paul Thurrott Says EVERYONE Will Get Windows Phone 7.8 AND It Will Bypass Carriers (As Will Windows Phone 8): http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476

    • http://www.LiveSide.net Kip Kniskern – LiveSide.net

      This isn’t what The Verge was told this morning, as they quoted Greg Sullivan: “We pressed Sullivan for details on which devices will be upgradeable to Windows Phone 7.8, but he wouldn’t reveal specifics. ‘I think it’s safe to assume to latest generation of devices are a primary target’”
      Perhaps what Thurrott means is that for Windows Phone devices that are upgradeable to Windows Phone 7.8, they will be upgradeable over the air.  Unless he was told something different than what the Verge was told, Microsoft hasn’t said that all Windows Phones are upgradeable to 7.8.
      We’re checking further, and will have more as soon as we get some definitive answers.

      • aaaaaa

         I found this video on youtube at the end he says all devices.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyjtllCRw0M

        Intresting lol

        • http://www.LiveSide.net Kip Kniskern – LiveSide.net

          Actually, he says “update that we’ll make available for existing devices” – not sure that’s definitive either way.

  • http://www.andrewtechhelp.com/ Andrew Tech Help

    Paul Thurrott Says EVERYONE Will Get Windows Phone 7.8 AND It Will Bypass Carriers (As Will Windows Phone 8): http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476

    • http://www.LiveSide.net Kip Kniskern – LiveSide.net

      This isn’t what The Verge was told this morning, as they quoted Greg Sullivan: “We pressed Sullivan for details on which devices will be upgradeable to Windows Phone 7.8, but he wouldn’t reveal specifics. ‘I think it’s safe to assume to latest generation of devices are a primary target’”
      Perhaps what Thurrott means is that for Windows Phone devices that are upgradeable to Windows Phone 7.8, they will be upgradeable over the air.  Unless he was told something different than what the Verge was told, Microsoft hasn’t said that all Windows Phones are upgradeable to 7.8.
      We’re checking further, and will have more as soon as we get some definitive answers.

      • aaaaaa

         I found this video on youtube at the end he says all devices.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyjtllCRw0M

        Intresting lol

        • http://www.LiveSide.net Kip Kniskern – LiveSide.net

          Actually, he says “update that we’ll make available for existing devices” – not sure that’s definitive either way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robinvanveghel Robin van Veghel

    When will this update come and when will Tango Update be available?

  • http://www.facebook.com/robinvanveghel Robin van Veghel

    When will this update come and when will Tango Update be available?

  • chinch987

    as expected. i’d probably wager a WP8 rom is available for Mango devices before WP8 phones actually ship in the USA though. LOL. You gotta also think developer unlock would allow a WP8 full wipe upgrade too (although the point would probably be moot).

    Wp8 only apps will be few and far between for a while considering the installed base of zero WP8 devices and no dev tooks yet vs WP7.x

    • Kit Y

      I’m sure tons of ported application will not be available for 7.8. I’m very very disappointed. Think of how much time it took devs to recompile software for 256 devices…

      • chinch987

        Tango/256MB recompile required intervention, testing and installing new SDK updating the app then submission. When a WP8 app is developed all the pieces are in place to push/compile a wp7.5 app simiultaneously also unless it requires wp8 features like NFC.

        MS also didn’t announce when submission for WP8 apps will be allowed (only that it will auto compile wp7.5 apps to wp8 automatically).

        Zynga is going to develop for WP8 only customers and omit many millions of customers worldwide with WP7.5? Nope.

        You really think Nokia for example wont upgrade “maps” or “drive” for the next ~18 months for Lumia 900 users? Lets get real. Least common denominator (most users) will be Tango/256 devices for a while.

        • Kit Y

          I’m sure due to Microsoft investments on WP8′s ecosystem with Windows most application developers will not consider porting their application to Windows Phone 7.8.

          To be honest, high quality application is extremely important for early adopters. I understand Microsoft’s reasons, but it’s not an excuse to kill it that soon.

          • Eric

            What porting? They don’t even have to port to WP8.

          • Kit Y

            from other platforms.

          • Eric

            Sorry, I see what you mean. I they develop for the new 8 goodies, they won’t produce a version without the goodies for 7.x as well. But, that’s a possibility on any OS, and they are providing tools to still target 7.x. It seems hard to seriously fault them when you find this in any growing ecosystem, iOS and Android are not excluded.

          • Kit Y

            Last time I checked, iOS6 runs (even though how good it runs is debatable) it still is available for it.

            Microsoft made a big mistake by launching Windows Phone 7 as a rushed product. They were way to locked down and limited with what developers can do resulted the breaking support in such short term that breaks what MS usually stands for.

    • wizkid

       MS is going to recompile all the 7.5 apps to windows phone 8 themselves.

    • wizkid

       also, windows 7.5 apps will run on Windows phone 8 as well. no different then iOS version fragmentation or Android 2.x to 3.x-4.0

  • chinch987

    as expected. i’d probably wager a WP8 rom is available for Mango devices before WP8 phones actually ship in the USA though. LOL. You gotta also think developer unlock would allow a WP8 full wipe upgrade too (although the point would probably be moot).

    Wp8 only apps will be few and far between for a while considering the installed base of zero WP8 devices and no dev tooks yet vs WP7.x

    • Kit Y

      I’m sure tons of ported application will not be available for 7.8. I’m very very disappointed. Think of how much time it took devs to recompile software for 256 devices…

      • chinch987

        Tango/256MB recompile required intervention, testing and installing new SDK updating the app then submission. When a WP8 app is developed all the pieces are in place to push/compile a wp7.5 app simiultaneously also unless it requires wp8 features like NFC.

        MS also didn’t announce when submission for WP8 apps will be allowed (only that it will auto compile wp7.5 apps to wp8 automatically).

        Zynga is going to develop for WP8 only customers and omit many millions of customers worldwide with WP7.5? Nope.

        You really think Nokia for example wont upgrade “maps” or “drive” for the next ~18 months for Lumia 900 users? Lets get real. Least common denominator (most users) will be Tango/256 devices for a while.

        • Kit Y

          I’m sure due to Microsoft investments on WP8′s ecosystem with Windows most application developers will not consider porting their application to Windows Phone 7.8.

          To be honest, high quality application is extremely important for early adopters. I understand Microsoft’s reasons, but it’s not an excuse to kill it that soon.

          • Eric

            What porting? They don’t even have to port to WP8.

          • Kit Y

            from other platforms.

          • Eric

            Sorry, I see what you mean. I they develop for the new 8 goodies, they won’t produce a version without the goodies for 7.x as well. But, that’s a possibility on any OS, and they are providing tools to still target 7.x. It seems hard to seriously fault them when you find this in any growing ecosystem, iOS and Android are not excluded.

          • Kit Y

            Last time I checked, iOS6 runs (even though how good it runs is debatable) it still is available for it.

            Microsoft made a big mistake by launching Windows Phone 7 as a rushed product. They were way to locked down and limited with what developers can do resulted the breaking support in such short term that breaks what MS usually stands for.

    • cuz84d

       MS is going to recompile all the 7.5 apps to windows phone 8 themselves.

    • cuz84d

       also, windows 7.5 apps will run on Windows phone 8 as well. no different then iOS version fragmentation or Android 2.x to 3.x-4.0

  • JSYOUNG571

    If Microsoft really cared about their current Windows Owners, they would allow us to turn our phones in and give us credit toward a Windows Phone 8. Somehow, I don’t think that is going to happen.  Are we suppose to just keep buying phones every time Microsoft scraps projects or not even bother to build off of the current platform? I have a HTC Titan and it is not even a year old yet. Already At&t and HTC have pulled it off the market to come out with the Titan 2 a few months ago. I really feel sorry for people who have purchased the Lumia 900, it is definitely a slap in their face as well. Reminds me of the HTC HD2 phone on T-mobile, which was the last 6.5 phone. People were hoping to be upgraded to OS 7 when it was released. Microsoft crushed the customers by saying their new phones would not be able to upgrade to OS 7 because of old hardware. Instead they released the same exact phone over and made it a HTC HD7. There are people who are still stuck in 2 year agreements.  Also, we are still dealing with At&t and their slow ass molasses updates and fixes that they have refused to release for the current phones. You can’t even hardly type anything on the current phones with the disappearing keyboard. Microsoft has not done anything to go after At&t to force them to release the fix. Even though I have had an Android and later brought a Htc Titan, I still kept my services with Microsoft (Hotmail, Skydrive, Messenger and etc).  I was really hoping Microsoft would have learned it’s lesson on the value of a customers trust, especially after them closing down a whole platform with people still locked in contracts on Windows Mobile 6.5 a couple of years ago. But NO, they still turn around and do the same thing over. It is all starting to come together and a lot of people are starting to wake up and realize why everybody has ran and jumped on the other platforms such as Apple and Google. People are tired of being used like experiment pigs by Microsoft when it comes to mobile operations. I don’t know how Microsoft expects to have a following while screwing customers over.  It looks like they will be losing me as a customer again, except this time I will be moving all my services over to Google. Android will get my next upgrade. Microsoft can get my middle finger and Steve Ballmer needs to be fired. This is coming from a Microsoft fan since 2000.

    • Eric

      If Microsoft is treating us like experimental pigs, how would you characterize the Android ecosystem’s view of its users? Not all Android users have an upgrade path, for any number of reasons (including ‘apparently’ stubborn carriers), and the number of UIs and other fiddly bits that have been presented could be said to look like a batch of ‘experiments’ (I’m not saying unusable or unpolished, just fairly varied).

      Seems that WinMo 6.5 and say 1.6 or 2.0 Android phones are very close to each other in time, and really there aren’t a lot of new apps for those versions of Android either. The 6.5 marketplace was available for 1 1/2 years after WP7 was available, shy of a 2 year contract on an HD2, but still pretty fair for that clunker OS. (Funny thing is, I put Froyo on my HD2 and sold it on Craigslist to finance my WP7 phone. Not that everyone can do that.)

      No one said that WP7.5 (eventually 7.8) phones will be locked out of the marketplace. There will be WP8 only apps, just like Android apps have minimum OS requirements.

      You don’t seem too averse to waiting for, or paying for, new phones with the features you want (you even state you will upgrade your Android in the future). Why this time, right now? If we’re here because we want staid utility from our phones, then there wouldn’t be much conversation left. Current tech is amazing if you compare it to even 3 years ago and can serve us well with only minor updates (like 7.8). But we’re here because we’re crazed (semi-crazed?) phone goof-balls for whom a 2-year contract is like an eternity. The big improvements we hope for (practically demand) and then want so badly, often require some demolition prior to the remodel (in any ecosystem). And if we can admit it, we wouldn’t be satisfied with less. Would you have been satisfied with them announcing just the 7.8 upgrade? If so, obviously we could be done talking. But I wouldn’t have been.

      How do we ever close the rolling window of phone purchases vs. the latest greatest or incompatible? Someone is always buying a phone the day before it’s being bested.

      Of course, no year old Android phone without an NFC reader (hardware) will magically get one from ICS or even some eventual 5.x update? No WP OS update will ever give my current phone ‘a need for’ dual-core support, obviously. Seems to me that 7.8 is a decent goodwill gesture. Remember, as of now we don’t know what the main updates to the existing built-in apps look like, and we don’t know that we won’t inherit some/most of those improvements through 7.8 either.

      I’m guessing that the hottest, most covetable WP8 apps/phones probably won’t be around for a while, giving the remainder of our contracts time to get closer to their ends.

      Disappointed as I may be, the strong language of ‘screwing customers over’, etc., in my opinion, would have to include, no 7.8, and no ability for devs to target both platforms. They are not rendering our current phones useless by a long shot.

      I’m *am* looking at my phone though, and thinking that if I unlock and sell it, I can recoup some money, and someone who is less of an upgrade-hound will get a dang nice 7.8 phone for cheap. Or it will go to my daughter because again, it will be *FAR* from useless.

      I only feel compelled to reply because of the curiosity of your arguments. I could not stomach the vagaries of the Android ecosystem, and you seem so willing to overlook them. It just doesn’t look very much ‘greener’ over there. We don’t really have to see eye-to-eye on this, of course, so I hope the conversation is more interesting than infuriating.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=566844506 Mike Smith

      I knew you’d be on here about that :P

      On the Windows Mobile comparisons, I really think you need to get over it. It was very obvious for a long time Microsoft had a very hands-off approach to Windows Mobile. The idea was for the OEMs to customize and enhance the experience on the base OS. Microsoft didn’t make that a secret. They did try to make 6.5 a slightly better experience with an updated look and a small app store. But it should have been very obvious it a more or less half-hearted stopgap attempt until WP7. Again, Windows Mobile on its own wasn’t really meant to be a true consumer-oriented OS. If you were expecting an upgrade, you should have read the signs before.

      As for WP 7.8, it’s not exactly the same premise. It’s very obvious that with any major mobile OS release, some new features will be based on new/updated hardware specs, and of course older hardware can’t support some features based on that. At least Microsoft isn’t saying “Hasta la Vista” and moving on like they did with 6.5. They claim they’ll bring as much features from WP8 that doesn’t depend on new hardware with 7.8. As for apps, it’s still very  much up in the air. Obviously it’s already claimed it’s possible that WP8 apps can be back-ported to 7.8. Plus it seems, but isn’t definite, that Microsoft will try to ensure it themselves these apps get pushed to 7.8 so users aren’t left out in the cold.

      The first generation of any company’s new platform isn’t something you can be sure will survive. You buy at your own risk. Even if I had a Windows Phone right now, I wouldn’t get all upset; I buy products to enjoy them as they are. Something new will always come along, and I don’t put in any wild hopes that a company will successfully try to make current users feel better.

    • Fred A.

      Good luck with Android and Google man.
      As I have told you before, MS will not miss you…
      …you do lots of complaiing bro (don’t mean that in a bad way)!

      Have great day!

    • JSYOUNG571

      You know what since I have a certain amount of people on here that cringe and want me to leave when I open my mouth about the screw ups on Microsoft parts, I decided I think I am going to stay. Nothing gives me more satisfaction then getting on all you all’s nerves with my criticism and raising a few tempers. Looking at Windows Live Blog, Neowin.net, Pocketnow and a couple of others sites and commentaries, I am not alone in my disgust with the way Microsoft has started the death of Windows Phone 7. So for those people who feel I should get over it, you try telling that to all the customers who brought the Nokia Lumia 900, HTC Titan and Titan 2, Samsung Focus and others with 2 year agreements. We are not so pissed to the point where we can’t understand that their are hardware differences that are not allowing us to upgrade. That is not the point. The point for us, is the fact that we are sitting with new phones that will no longer be supported with updated apps because all the attention is being focused on Windows Phone 8. I have read comments saying you all are not locked out of the market, so what are you getting upset for. Not having any updated apps and being part of a market where everything will be for Windows 8, is almost like being locked out. Yes, we will probably get a bread crumb or 2 while Windows Phone 8 users enjoy a full meal.  This is where the difference is major when it comes to the support between all three platforms. Microsoft throws away a platform of customers. I remember this all too well with Windows Phone 6.5 Market during the creation of Windows Phone 7.  Most of you will argue saying the Market hanged on for a year and a half. Yes it did, but it was a dead market because of Microsoft.  We were stuck with apps that were never upgraded or fixed. Majority of them didn’t even work, which still left us with a brick phone. You all will continue to sit and talk about how Microsoft is doing nothing different then Apple and Google would do and give Microsoft a pass. Let’s stop choking on the truth. I have never known Apple and Google to throw away a platform of customers or have their new phones turn into bricks after a couple of weeks to almost a year. I have never known them to sale unsupported new bricks in a store either. Microsoft seems to be the only company that stops the sales of their own phone by destroying the current OS before a new one comes out. Will you all continue signing 2 year agreements and paying for new phones, only to have Microsoft trash the OS within a couple of weeks but less then a year and turn your new phone into a instant brick because they have decide to start a whole new platform?

      • Eric

        Selling unsupported bricks… instant bricks. Hmm, you know that’s just not even a reasonable description of what it happening here. If you just stick to how wounded you *feel*, we can probably sympathize, but insert that much hyperbole and it’s hard to keep our eyes from rolling.

        Dev tools are not even out to any but the most privileged. There will probably be a longer incubation period for the killer 3rd party WP8 apps than we expect.

        Not only that, there *is* still an incentive for devs to not compile for WP8 if they don’t use WP8 services, because there will be this larger and hungry 7.5/7.8 user base itching to make a full size tile out of their new “Sexy Fart Flashlight” app (being very silly here).  Oh boy. 100,000 AND ONE apps!!

        Okay, maybe not that app.

  • JSYOUNG571

    If Microsoft really cared about their current Windows Owners, they would allow us to turn our phones in and give us credit toward a Windows Phone 8. Somehow, I don’t think that is going to happen.  Are we suppose to just keep buying phones every time Microsoft scraps projects or not even bother to build off of the current platform? I have a HTC Titan and it is not even a year old yet. Already At&t and HTC have pulled it off the market to come out with the Titan 2 a few months ago. I really feel sorry for people who have purchased the Lumia 900, it is definitely a slap in their face as well. Reminds me of the HTC HD2 phone on T-mobile, which was the last 6.5 phone. People were hoping to be upgraded to OS 7 when it was released. Microsoft crushed the customers by saying their new phones would not be able to upgrade to OS 7 because of old hardware. Instead they released the same exact phone over and made it a HTC HD7. There are people who are still stuck in 2 year agreements.  Also, we are still dealing with At&t and their slow ass molasses updates and fixes that they have refused to release for the current phones. You can’t even hardly type anything on the current phones with the disappearing keyboard. Microsoft has not done anything to go after At&t to force them to release the fix. Even though I have had an Android and later brought a Htc Titan, I still kept my services with Microsoft (Hotmail, Skydrive, Messenger and etc).  I was really hoping Microsoft would have learned it’s lesson on the value of a customers trust, especially after them closing down a whole platform with people still locked in contracts on Windows Mobile 6.5 a couple of years ago. But NO, they still turn around and do the same thing over. It is all starting to come together and a lot of people are starting to wake up and realize why everybody has ran and jumped on the other platforms such as Apple and Google. People are tired of being used like experiment pigs by Microsoft when it comes to mobile operations. I don’t know how Microsoft expects to have a following while screwing customers over.  It looks like they will be losing me as a customer again, except this time I will be moving all my services over to Google. Android will get my next upgrade. Microsoft can get my middle finger and Steve Ballmer needs to be fired. This is coming from a Microsoft fan since 2000.

    • Eric

      If Microsoft is treating us like experimental pigs, how would you characterize the Android ecosystem’s view of its users? Not all Android users have an upgrade path, for any number of reasons (including ‘apparently’ stubborn carriers), and the number of UIs and other fiddly bits that have been presented could be said to look like a batch of ‘experiments’ (I’m not saying unusable or unpolished, just fairly varied).

      Seems that WinMo 6.5 and say 1.6 or 2.0 Android phones are very close to each other in time, and really there aren’t a lot of new apps for those versions of Android either. The 6.5 marketplace was available for 1 1/2 years after WP7 was available, shy of a 2 year contract on an HD2, but still pretty fair for that clunker OS. (Funny thing is, I put Froyo on my HD2 and sold it on Craigslist to finance my WP7 phone. Not that everyone can do that.)

      No one said that WP7.5 (eventually 7.8) phones will be locked out of the marketplace. There will be WP8 only apps, just like Android apps have minimum OS requirements.

      You don’t seem too averse to waiting for, or paying for, new phones with the features you want (you even state you will upgrade your Android in the future). Why this time, right now? If we’re here because we want staid utility from our phones, then there wouldn’t be much conversation left. Current tech is amazing if you compare it to even 3 years ago and can serve us well with only minor updates (like 7.8). But we’re here because we’re crazed (semi-crazed?) phone goof-balls for whom a 2-year contract is like an eternity. The big improvements we hope for (practically demand) and then want so badly, often require some demolition prior to the remodel (in any ecosystem). And if we can admit it, we wouldn’t be satisfied with less. Would you have been satisfied with them announcing just the 7.8 upgrade? If so, obviously we could be done talking. But I wouldn’t have been.

      How do we ever close the rolling window of phone purchases vs. the latest greatest or incompatible? Someone is always buying a phone the day before it’s being bested.

      Of course, no year old Android phone without an NFC reader (hardware) will magically get one from ICS or even some eventual 5.x update? No WP OS update will ever give my current phone ‘a need for’ dual-core support, obviously. Seems to me that 7.8 is a decent goodwill gesture. Remember, as of now we don’t know what the main updates to the existing built-in apps look like, and we don’t know that we won’t inherit some/most of those improvements through 7.8 either.

      I’m guessing that the hottest, most covetable WP8 apps/phones probably won’t be around for a while, giving the remainder of our contracts time to get closer to their ends.

      Disappointed as I may be, the strong language of ‘screwing customers over’, etc., in my opinion, would have to include, no 7.8, and no ability for devs to target both platforms. They are not rendering our current phones useless by a long shot.

      I’m *am* looking at my phone though, and thinking that if I unlock and sell it, I can recoup some money, and someone who is less of an upgrade-hound will get a dang nice 7.8 phone for cheap. Or it will go to my daughter because again, it will be *FAR* from useless.

      I only feel compelled to reply because of the curiosity of your arguments. I could not stomach the vagaries of the Android ecosystem, and you seem so willing to overlook them. It just doesn’t look very much ‘greener’ over there. We don’t really have to see eye-to-eye on this, of course, so I hope the conversation is more interesting than infuriating.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=566844506 Mike Smith

      I knew you’d be on here about that :P

      On the Windows Mobile comparisons, I really think you need to get over it. It was very obvious for a long time Microsoft had a very hands-off approach to Windows Mobile. The idea was for the OEMs to customize and enhance the experience on the base OS. Microsoft didn’t make that a secret. They did try to make 6.5 a slightly better experience with an updated look and a small app store. But it should have been very obvious it a more or less half-hearted stopgap attempt until WP7. Again, Windows Mobile on its own wasn’t really meant to be a true consumer-oriented OS. If you were expecting an upgrade, you should have read the signs before.

      As for WP 7.8, it’s not exactly the same premise. It’s very obvious that with any major mobile OS release, some new features will be based on new/updated hardware specs, and of course older hardware can’t support some features based on that. At least Microsoft isn’t saying “Hasta la Vista” and moving on like they did with 6.5. They claim they’ll bring as much features from WP8 that doesn’t depend on new hardware with 7.8. As for apps, it’s still very  much up in the air. Obviously it’s already claimed it’s possible that WP8 apps can be back-ported to 7.8. Plus it seems, but isn’t definite, that Microsoft will try to ensure it themselves these apps get pushed to 7.8 so users aren’t left out in the cold.

      The first generation of any company’s new platform isn’t something you can be sure will survive. You buy at your own risk. Even if I had a Windows Phone right now, I wouldn’t get all upset; I buy products to enjoy them as they are. Something new will always come along, and I don’t put in any wild hopes that a company will successfully try to make current users feel better.

    • Fred A.

      Good luck with Android and Google man.
      As I have told you before, MS will not miss you…
      …you do lots of complaiing bro (don’t mean that in a bad way)!

      Have great day!

    • JSYOUNG571

      You know what since I have a certain amount of people on here that cringe and want me to leave when I open my mouth about the screw ups on Microsoft parts, I decided I think I am going to stay. Nothing gives me more satisfaction then getting on all you all’s nerves with my criticism and raising a few tempers. Looking at Windows Live Blog, Neowin.net, Pocketnow and a couple of others sites and commentaries, I am not alone in my disgust with the way Microsoft has started the death of Windows Phone 7. So for those people who feel I should get over it, you try telling that to all the customers who brought the Nokia Lumia 900, HTC Titan and Titan 2, Samsung Focus and others with 2 year agreements. We are not so pissed to the point where we can’t understand that their are hardware differences that are not allowing us to upgrade. That is not the point. The point for us, is the fact that we are sitting with new phones that will no longer be supported with updated apps because all the attention is being focused on Windows Phone 8. I have read comments saying you all are not locked out of the market, so what are you getting upset for. Not having any updated apps and being part of a market where everything will be for Windows 8, is almost like being locked out. Yes, we will probably get a bread crumb or 2 while Windows Phone 8 users enjoy a full meal.  This is where the difference is major when it comes to the support between all three platforms. Microsoft throws away a platform of customers. I remember this all too well with Windows Phone 6.5 Market during the creation of Windows Phone 7.  Most of you will argue saying the Market hanged on for a year and a half. Yes it did, but it was a dead market because of Microsoft.  We were stuck with apps that were never upgraded or fixed. Majority of them didn’t even work, which still left us with a brick phone. You all will continue to sit and talk about how Microsoft is doing nothing different then Apple and Google would do and give Microsoft a pass. Let’s stop choking on the truth. I have never known Apple and Google to throw away a platform of customers or have their new phones turn into bricks after a couple of weeks to almost a year. I have never known them to sale unsupported new bricks in a store either. Microsoft seems to be the only company that stops the sales of their own phone by destroying the current OS before a new one comes out. Will you all continue signing 2 year agreements and paying for new phones, only to have Microsoft trash the OS within a couple of weeks but less then a year and turn your new phone into a instant brick because they have decide to start a whole new platform?

      • Eric

        Selling unsupported bricks… instant bricks. Hmm, you know that’s just not even a reasonable description of what it happening here. If you just stick to how wounded you *feel*, we can probably sympathize, but insert that much hyperbole and it’s hard to keep our eyes from rolling.

        Dev tools are not even out to any but the most privileged. There will probably be a longer incubation period for the killer 3rd party WP8 apps than we expect.

        Not only that, there *is* still an incentive for devs to not compile for WP8 if they don’t use WP8 services, because there will be this larger and hungry 7.5/7.8 user base itching to make a full size tile out of their new “Sexy Fart Flashlight” app (being very silly here).  Oh boy. 100,000 AND ONE apps!!

        Okay, maybe not that app.

  • http://www.tekwalla.com/ Tekwalla

    I understand that I have an old LG Quantum from 2010 but this is really not fair with new customers who had bought phones like Nokia Lumia 900, Samsung Focus 2 and HTC Titan 2 etc. There are a lot of small features missing in Windows Phone which MS is hell bent on not fixing. Why can’t delete more than one picture at the same time in the pictures gallery??? Why is so hard to implement this? I thought that MS will fix these tiny little quirks with the next update but no it doesn’t seem like they are going to be fixed!

    • http://twitter.com/dalydose Jeff Daly

      Well, we don’t know what is coming in WP7.8.  This **could** be a part of it. 

      • http://www.tekwalla.com/ Tekwalla

        I watched the keynote they specifically said that only the “new start screen experience” will be coming to existing Windows Phones. 

  • http://www.techomaniac.com Techomaniac

    I understand that I have an old LG Quantum from 2010 but this is really not fair with new customers who had bought phones like Nokia Lumia 900, Samsung Focus 2 and HTC Titan 2 etc. There are a lot of small features missing in Windows Phone which MS is hell bent on not fixing. Why can’t delete more than one picture at the same time in the pictures gallery??? Why is so hard to implement this? I thought that MS will fix these tiny little quirks with the next update but no it doesn’t seem like they are going to be fixed!

    • http://twitter.com/dalydose Jeff Daly

      Well, we don’t know what is coming in WP7.8.  This **could** be a part of it. 

      • http://www.techomaniac.com Techomaniac

        I watched the keynote they specifically said that only the “new start screen experience” will be coming to existing Windows Phones. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QH25RVNTUIAU7HT6DQ7CONEO2U havasu46

    I think the WP7.8 is totally fair. What can they do if the Lumia 900 hardware won’t support the WP8 requirments? They are providing W8 upgrade for all W7 hardware but you won;t get a touch screen.  You can NOT upgrade WXP to W8.

    • http://www.tekwalla.com/ Tekwalla

      That is Okay. But they must commit to provide all software enhancements that are possible with the current hardware not just the start screen. What about fixing all of those small bugs and inconsitencies around the OS which make your life miserable. For example, i can select multiple conversations in email and delete them, why can’t i do the same for text messages??

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QH25RVNTUIAU7HT6DQ7CONEO2U havasu46

    I think the WP7.8 is totally fair. What can they do if the Lumia 900 hardware won’t support the WP8 requirments? They are providing W8 upgrade for all W7 hardware but you won;t get a touch screen.  You can NOT upgrade WXP to W8.

    • http://www.techomaniac.com Techomaniac

      That is Okay. But they must commit to provide all software enhancements that are possible with the current hardware not just the start screen. What about fixing all of those small bugs and inconsitencies around the OS which make your life miserable. For example, i can select multiple conversations in email and delete them, why can’t i do the same for text messages??

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1094784414 Omar Washington

    I wish people would stop complaining about what their phones only being upgradeable to WP 7.8. I was a little upset for Lumia 900 owners (I still have my HD7) at first but then I realized that there are hundreds of features that MS has yet to unveil that will probably make it into WP 7.8. The only limitations are hardware so far. So Xbox music, Xbox Smart Glass, new messaging and email abilities, new people hub functions, new marketplace abilities, picture hub, etc. may all be included in your update. MS hasn’t even announce all the changes they’ve made. From NODO to MANGO was about 500 updated features. Why should this be anything different? What we saw at the summit yesterday was geared more towards developers than consumers. The big “feature unveiling” will come soon and with it, the knowledge as to what 7.8 will include. If your Lumia 900 doesn’t have certain features, its only because it requires the newest hardware to run the latest OS. Give it a chance.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1094784414 Omar Washington

    I wish people would stop complaining about what their phones only being upgradeable to WP 7.8. I was a little upset for Lumia 900 owners (I still have my HD7) at first but then I realized that there are hundreds of features that MS has yet to unveil that will probably make it into WP 7.8. The only limitations are hardware so far. So Xbox music, Xbox Smart Glass, new messaging and email abilities, new people hub functions, new marketplace abilities, picture hub, etc. may all be included in your update. MS hasn’t even announce all the changes they’ve made. From NODO to MANGO was about 500 updated features. Why should this be anything different? What we saw at the summit yesterday was geared more towards developers than consumers. The big “feature unveiling” will come soon and with it, the knowledge as to what 7.8 will include. If your Lumia 900 doesn’t have certain features, its only because it requires the newest hardware to run the latest OS. Give it a chance.

  • Bs Sameer

    I’m from india. The operators here don’t provide handsets. I saved up for a year and got a 300$(I’m a student i do not earn) Samsung Omnia w three months ago and now there’s no WP 8 for me. My friend got a Lumia 800 when it came out for 500-550$. No update for him as well. Microsoft really doesn’t care about their customers. They dominated the OS market just because Mr Gates patented possibly everything in the industry, thereby not allowing anyone to make an OS (even the caption buttons Close,Minimize,Maximize on the right top are patented). 

    I really felt like a fool the day i got my WP7.5 phone. The god-damn thing doesn’t even do proper multitasking! (The long press on the back button is just an app switcher!)  “Background apps” can only do HTTP fetches (like weather app updates every hour) and PUSH notifications. No apps can run under the lockscreen! HELL EVEN WIFI DOESN’T WORK UNDER THE LOCKSCREEN!!! I mean i’m no pro but even a 3 year old kid would know the need of true multitasking on a smartphone. Mr. Balmer needs to be fired. Microsoft can’t simply function like this.

    They haven’t revealed all the features of WP 7.8 yet. I truely hope it does proper multitasking and doesn’t just have a new home screen. 

    Even apps sucked on WP 7.5. The facebook app was CRAP for 6 months. Recently it was updated to v2.5 (After 30 days of its announcement). Twitter app sucked. Pulse wont refresh on 2G. The market place is flooded with a billion notepads , and under 20apps that are really good. Comparable to iOS. Unfortunately i cant afford an iPhone but my next phone will definitely be an android. I don’t care if it lags my ass off. At least my purchase will be respected.

    I’m a windows user since Windows 95. HELL, I tried all possible beta/RC/RTM builds of Vista and Windows 7. I’ve begun to loathe Microsoft’s policies. 

    • $14196660

      With all due respect but you should have considered informing yourself BEFORE spending your saved bucks – you’re to blame for that.
      And good luck with Android – would be surprised if your consumer experience was any better at all…

  • Bs Sameer

    I’m from india. The operators here don’t provide handsets. I saved up for a year and got a 300$(I’m a student i do not earn) Samsung Omnia w three months ago and now there’s no WP 8 for me. My friend got a Lumia 800 when it came out for 500-550$. No update for him as well. Microsoft really doesn’t care about their customers. They dominated the OS market just because Mr Gates patented possibly everything in the industry, thereby not allowing anyone to make an OS (even the caption buttons Close,Minimize,Maximize on the right top are patented). 

    I really felt like a fool the day i got my WP7.5 phone. The god-damn thing doesn’t even do proper multitasking! (The long press on the back button is just an app switcher!)  “Background apps” can only do HTTP fetches (like weather app updates every hour) and PUSH notifications. No apps can run under the lockscreen! HELL EVEN WIFI DOESN’T WORK UNDER THE LOCKSCREEN!!! I mean i’m no pro but even a 3 year old kid would know the need of true multitasking on a smartphone. Mr. Balmer needs to be fired. Microsoft can’t simply function like this.

    They haven’t revealed all the features of WP 7.8 yet. I truely hope it does proper multitasking and doesn’t just have a new home screen. 

    Even apps sucked on WP 7.5. The facebook app was CRAP for 6 months. Recently it was updated to v2.5 (After 30 days of its announcement). Twitter app sucked. Pulse wont refresh on 2G. The market place is flooded with a billion notepads , and under 20apps that are really good. Comparable to iOS. Unfortunately i cant afford an iPhone but my next phone will definitely be an android. I don’t care if it lags my ass off. At least my purchase will be respected.

    I’m a windows user since Windows 95. HELL, I tried all possible beta/RC/RTM builds of Vista and Windows 7. I’ve begun to loathe Microsoft’s policies. 

    • hojsn

      With all due respect but you should have considered informing yourself BEFORE spending your saved bucks – you’re to blame for that.
      And good luck with Android – would be surprised if your consumer experience was any better at all…

  • Guston Bet Info

    Microsoft crushed the customers by saying their new phones would not be able to upgrade to OS 7 because of old hardware.качественные ставки на спортивные события

  • Guston Bet Info

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  • http://www.facebook.com/sachinio Sachin Patney

    It is strange so many of you are complaining about something that every smartphone maker does. For instance, when Apple came up with iOS 4 and announced multi-tasking amongst other things, they locked that feature for the iphone 3G device, heck they even locked the ‘orientation lock’ feature. Do you really need 3GS’s superior hardware to lock orientation?  At least Microsoft here is making the effort to push all the possible features thru the 7.8 update. Granted there will be some left out, but that will be only due to hardware limitations that is out of Microsoft’s hand.

    This is the nature of technology, the new becomes old very quickly, deal with it. If you have a better solution to the problem, then write that down instead of just bashing Microsoft without understanding the real problem.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sachinio Sachin Patney

    It is strange so many of you are complaining about something that every smartphone maker does. For instance, when Apple came up with iOS 4 and announced multi-tasking amongst other things, they locked that feature for the iphone 3G device, heck they even locked the ‘orientation lock’ feature. Do you really need 3GS’s superior hardware to lock orientation?  At least Microsoft here is making the effort to push all the possible features thru the 7.8 update. Granted there will be some left out, but that will be only due to hardware limitations that is out of Microsoft’s hand.

    This is the nature of technology, the new becomes old very quickly, deal with it. If you have a better solution to the problem, then write that down instead of just bashing Microsoft without understanding the real problem.