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Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"

Well it's taken a while to get here, but it looks like Windows Live is becoming a better defined and somewhat unified set of services.  Of course there's still a lot of work left to do, but today's debut of the Windows Live Suite and unified installer is definitely a big step in the right direction.  So lets jump right in:

Jump Into WL

Finding and installing Windows Live Services is the first improvement noticeable in the Windows Live suite. This Jump into Windows Live page, at http://get.live.com/wl/all, offers links to many of the Windows Live offerings, and most importantly, a link to the unified installer.  From there, you'll be able to select which products you want to install, and load them all up with one installation:

WL Installer 

WLInstaller.exe (Build 1320.0823) is a 1.72mb download, that then checks your computer for previous installations of Windows Live programs, and then updates or installs the ones you've selected.  On my main computer, with the sign-in Assistant, Live Mail, Writer, and Messenger installed already with earlier versions, from start to finish the installation took 15 minutes over a broadband connection.  For my newly paved laptop with no Windows Live services installed, the installation time was just a bit shorter.  Of course these times will vary greatly depending on your machine and your connection.

What's new:

All of the main Windows Live applications are upgraded to previously unavailable new builds, although it depends on which programs you use as to how much the applications have changed.  Windows Live Messenger is now 8.5.1228.816, and not much has changed in terms of UI, according to the MessengerSays blog:

If you downloaded our Beta 1 build, you may not think that much has changed.  While the look and feel is almost the same, we listened to your feedback and fixed many of the top issues reported by our customers.  THANK YOU to all of our beta testers who reported issues. thumbs_up

Windows Live Mail (Build 12.00.1365) looks much the same, as well, with a few UI improvements.  The Live Mail blog has quite a list of improvements, however, including:

  • List View for contacts, and contacts import/export improvements
  • Toolbar customization
  • Quick Views
  • Improved Layout Dialog options
  • Change your sign in account
  • Photo E-Mail updates
  • Newsgroup updates
  • ..and bug fixes

see the Windows Live Mail blog for more details.

Windows Live Writer (12.0.1277.816) has made bigger improvements from beta 2, with a number of the photo manipulation issues (fuzzy pictures, placing photos into the previous blog entry in short blog posts) seem to have been resolved.  According to the Live Writer blog:

Some highlights of this release:

  • Insert videos using our new 'Insert Video' dialog

  • Upload images to Picasaweb when publishing to your Blogger blog

  • Publish XHTML-style markup

  • Use Writer in 28 additional languages

  • Print your posts

  • Justify-align post text

  • Better image handling (fewer blurry images)

  • Resolved installation issues from last release

  • Many other bug fixes and enhancements

For those of you using the managed beta only Windows Live Photo Gallery, the improvements there are much more noticeable.  Of course the first thing to notice is that WL Photo Gallery is now available as a public beta.  Brandon LeBlanc has a nice post on Windows Live Photo Gallery, I'll let him work through the details.

Since I haven't been using the Windows Live Toolbar, and they don't have a blog (do they?), I'll just say for now that it's build 3.01.0000.0130, and since I installed it with the suite we'll get back to it :).

First Impressions:

Overall, we're making progress here.  So far the biggest complaint has been lack of 64bit support, a common complaint about a lot of software, and a legitimate one.  64 bit support is coming, however, according to the release notes:

64-bit is not supported for Beta 2
Beta 2 does not support a 64-bit installation; however the final version of Windows Live will support 64-bit (with the exception of Family Safety). You have the choice of either continuing to run the Beta 1 versions of Windows Live or you can uninstall all Windows Live applications and reinstall the released versions. For more information see KB Article 938275.

A thoroughly unscientific observation is that both Live Mail and Messenger load quite a bit faster than the previous versions I was using, and faster is always better.

There is also a somewhat unified approach to pointing to pointing to feedback.live.com for feedback, and while actually getting any response to your feedback there is spotty at best, at least it shows there is some unified strategy among the teams to coordinate efforts, which we applaud.  There's also a new managed beta for the new stuff, for those that have access at Connect.

Comments

paddy wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 8:30 AM

Yes, it is faster and cleaner. The new Live Mail looks more like Hotmail rather than Outlook though.  Tried to embed a wmv file for testing purposes via Live Writer and failed.  The HTML code used for the embedding should be working as it does for me elsewhere.  Live Photo Gallery is very nice with the new added features, but should keep the star rating system for photo asset cataloging that is used in the Windows version.  

The unified installer will really help get the Live products on to the desktops of the average internet user, once it goes out of Beta.  Makes things very simple. It's something that even my parents could figure out.  

Overall a very good job.  No problem with the download and no change to the system.  Working fine even though I am on the road working in China.  

ScottIsAFool wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 10:15 AM

When you say you tried to embed a wmv file, how did you try doing it?

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kcorax wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 11:09 AM

@paddy, Try drag dropping the file from your desktop and let us know.

Jesper wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 1:05 PM

Did you guys uninstall the older versions of Mail, Writer, Messenger etc. before running the WIndows Live Suite set up?

CalumJR wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 2:47 PM

No, Jesper, I left the old versions on and it worked fine.

I'd like to comment on it all. It all workes fine but I was wondering why Family Safetly and the actual Windows Live Installer are still using the Wave 1 Flair user interface??

Is it because they are still in Beta?

Will they be updated to the Windows Live Wave 2 interface??

(Maybe one of the staff can reply with the answers please, because I hate inconsistencies like this lol)

Windows Live Suite Launches » InsideMicrosoft ?? part of the Blog News Channel wrote Windows Live Suite Launches » InsideMicrosoft ?? part of the Blog News Channel
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 6:58 PM

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the andyman wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 7:10 PM

@calum-r- I reported the installers using the old UI on Connect last month and got a reply saying "Thanks for the great feedback. We have updated the UI..check out the next beta when it releases... When? :) (SOOOON)" (but obviously it wasn't updated, *shrug*)

Jesper wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 7:12 PM

@calum-r - thanks :-)

KingyOwl wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 8:08 PM

I'm very impressed with the installer, it brings all the live services together nicely.

My disappointment however comes with Photo Gallery, as it secretly installs Windows Desktop search and doesn't work once desktop search in uninstalled.

Because I don't want desktop search, I won't be using Photo Gallery until it is independant.

You might think I'm picky but I don't like useless software installed on my pc!

LordDaMan wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Thu, Sep 6 2007 10:52 PM

@KingyOwl

While you need the DLL files for WLPG, you don't need windows deskop search running. I wnet through, disbaled all setup program and disaled all services associated with windos desktop search. WLPG works fine. The only drawback is I can't search acorss the meta data of teh files, but things like search for filename wroks

Windows X’s Shrine » Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008" wrote Windows X’s Shrine » Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Fri, Sep 7 2007 3:13 AM

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littlekimon wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Fri, Sep 7 2007 5:01 AM

Very clean and easy install.

With Live Mail, a useful feature would be for sent emails to be stored in their respective folders assigned to a recipient address.

So in the sent folder you can have easy access to all emails to a person that you've chosen to add.

There must be a faster way then using rules, bulk actions perhaps?

Mishraz wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Fri, Sep 7 2007 8:28 AM

I only want windows live photo gallery .. and that is not downloading when i try .. it start searchig for the installed components ... and never goes forward .. can anyone help.

Thanks

alienforever wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Fri, Sep 7 2007 5:19 PM

@Mishraz - what's the error?

Hb8 wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Fri, Sep 7 2007 5:41 PM

I'm getting an error too, won't install due to "fatal error during installation"

code: 0x80070643

any ideas?

Mishraz wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Sun, Sep 9 2007 11:27 AM

@alienforever !! as I mentioned .. it never goes forward with the installation ... yesterday it took more than 30 minutes searching the installed components... and after that I close the damn thing.

Mishraz wrote re: Cleaner, Faster: First impressions of "Windows Live 2008"
on Sun, Sep 9 2007 11:46 AM

is there any way to get the direct download link for Windows Live photo Gallery ... any one ....

Thanks

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on Sun, Oct 28 2007 8:42 AM

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