Microsoft: "We're in it to win!"

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DBL — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:04:44 GMT

"Ideas are going to be well developed inside the company before pushing them out to the public, where confusion can become rampant as we've seen."

So Microsoft thinks their winning strategy is to delay products even longer?

Am I the only one having to choke back peals of laughter here?

Everyone who ever lost went all the way down thinking they had a winning strategy. Talk is cheap. I want to hear something that a reasonable person might actually think is a good strategy.

Hasn't happened yet.

Windows Live - doomed to fail?

The Browser Den — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:24:25 GMT

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Matthew — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:18:19 GMT

A correction note to everyone, Microsoft did not say "we're in it to win", and even if they did, I would not be able to disclose discussions since they're under NDA. However, I can say that the "feeling" I got from Microsoft is "we're in it to win" as in a sense of commitment, nothing more. As I said in the beginning of the post, I cannot say anything about what we did or didn't see. I did go, but that's all I'll admit too.

The point of this post was to convey a positive feeling I took back from Microsoft. I think a little bit of positiveness about Microsoft would be nice for a change.

@Matthew

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Kip Kniskern — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:57:22 GMT

Jamie,

Thanks for reading LiveSide! I sent you mail re: the newsgroups.

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jamiet — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:51:53 GMT

Hi Matthew,

Do you now if there is an MVP newsgroup for Live-related stuff?

cheers

Jamie

P.S. I'm the guy who stood up in Chris Jones' session and said "I'm a SQL MVP and I think feedback.live.com is rubbish".

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TheViewMaster — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:29:22 GMT

I Believe We Have To Credit a Declining Microsoft (MSFT) Stock Price, Currently $27.33/Share, For This, Uh... 'Good News'???

;-)

Scoble: MSFT in it "to win?" Hardly.

Silicon Valley Watcher--reporting on the business and culture of disruption — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:39:51 GMT

Robert Scoble has as they told the Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Global Summit) Robert thinks it would all be quite funny, if it weren't pathetic. The words are empty. Microsoft’s Internet execution sucks (on whole). Its search sucks. Its advertising

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Hb8 — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:33:34 GMT

I want to believe that the whole Live initiative will become a strong, cohesive, whole again, but...I'm not inclined to believe it just yet. Some great things were started, there is vision, but no cohesion. I keep going back to listen to Moz's interviews and he speaks of really great things for the user. But until they can get it together, work together and deliver a product to the user that pulls it all together and works well and is useful, I just don't see it yet.

focus and deliver.

I'll keep hoping, but I'm not going to hold my breath just yet, and I'm already a pretty devoted Live user.

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IndigoMoonSystems — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:38:19 GMT

If you have to come out and TELL people you are committed, doesn't that indicate some sort of problem in the first place? Wouldn't we be seeing results if the committment was really there? The proof is in the pudding, and as Scoble points out, there isn't much of it to point to at the moment. It's hard to say if this is a renewed effort, or just a PR smokescreen for a lot of confusion and awkward posturing inside the company right now.

I think the thing is, Microsoft is so big and there are so many pots bubbling, that it's easy to pick out a few and be optimistic about them. I've liked a lot of what I heard about Live and OneCare six months ago; but they haven't developed into compelling products in that time. Too many cooks, I think, and a lack of clear vision. It isn't clear to me that management has done anything decisive to clear up that issue--without doing so, I'm forced to be more skeptical than optimistic when I hear these things now.

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Matthew — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:42:31 GMT

Thanks for your comments phunky.

@Matthew

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Matthew — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:42:03 GMT

Scoble made a post about my post: http://scobleizer.com/2007/03/16/microsoft-tells-mvps-were-in-it-to-win-really/

My reply is on his web site, as well as below:

Scoble: To clarify, I think specifically what Microsoft is trying to say is that they've learned from the past and are going to correct mistakes for the future, and that's how they expect to win. I'm going to be critical as well, just like any MVP or even a Microsoft employee should be, but additionally I like the optimism. I think part of the reason Google is winning is they have confidence that they can, and wave 1 of Windows Live has taken a beating, management needs to make some changes, as well as increasing morale.

I know I'll be disappointed in not being able to see more stuff before release, but just like Allchin was hammered for "taking things out of Vista", no one else at Microsoft wants to hear any crap anymore. Thus they're going to keep quiet and go back to the basics of releasing great products and services, and concentrate on listening to feedback.

Something we can all do is offer Microsoft constructive criticism. I think some press/blog sites want to make outrageous claims that Windows Live is dead, or whatever, and that doesn't help anyone. Microsoft is building some great products that we're all going to love, which increases competition in the industry. We will all benefit from an even faster moving industry where all companies think "we're in it to win!"

As always, thanks for your comments Robert.

@Matthew

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Khristopher — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:20:26 GMT

It's nice to hear someone say that Windows Live isn't dead. I don't have a lot of faith left in it, but I'd like it to survive and do better.

MS, winning

JD on EP — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:09:03 GMT

MS, winning: When I read this earlier this morning, it tripped my BSometer: "We can't disclose a lot of what we saw [or even if we saw anything at all] at the Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Global Summit [isn't that a typical Microsoft name?]. However,

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