Apple announces Windows Live rival – we’re jealous

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damaster — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:16:12 GMT

@quikboy: Even though what's in MobileMe is already out there, one thing Apple does properly is having them bundled and working all together in one place. It's the integration between all those services what people want.

And that's what Windows Live is currently lacking. It's got all these services out there, but they're not integrated together! I really hope Microsoft has realised this and get it right in Wave 3.

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Chris — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:54:53 GMT

@BasP: As andyman mentions above, there are Wave 3 versions available internally now.

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BasP — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:58:15 GMT

I also want to know where you guys got this info on a new version of WLM. The WLM blog hasn't moved since november, so some info would be nice.

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the andyman — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:53:33 GMT

So the next version of Windows Live Mail has calendar support? :P Should make me use WLCalendar a bit more as I'm a little disappointed by the current web interface.

I'm led to believe that the next build of Mail will be version 14, and the current is 12 so do you know what happened to 13? Just too unlucky for the softies to make?

@Alimaggs, agree with everything you said 100%

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palmz22user — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:37:15 GMT

MS needs to get Live Mesh out the door ASAP. Seems like a lot of Windows Live products are in perpetual beta and then they die. It is just very hard to imagine that with so much engineering resources available at MS that they cannot get products out. These are web applications! It also reflects poorly on the development tools/environment that the Windows Live team uses when others, using open source/non-MS technology (such as Apple), can move products out the door just at blazing speed. Putting marketing and politics aside, are MS tools/stack not conducive for building web applications?

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bf1977 — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:35:41 GMT

The services of the MobileMe can be equal to the one of Windows Live, but ours it is of not paid favour and as of the Apple.

The Microsoft could was to increase the development of applicatory of Windows Live pra other platforms as of the Apple, Linux, Unix and of the Windows 64bit and Windows 2003 and 2008 server.

I use in desktop of house an installed Windows XP and have all the applicatory ones of Windows Live.

Now in my Notebook alone I obtained to install the Messenger, because it is a Windows 2003.

Microsoft would have to see that it has people that they use Window 2003 in notebook for development more and all.

I went to be very happy if he had chance to install Windows Live Mail in my Windows 2003.

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Avatar X — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:51:39 GMT

one of the most note worthy about the keynote is the ridiculous way of showing the "not optimized" for demo mobileme software as if it was the most magical thing ever... "not like you are supposed to see in the browser"... i guess schiller has never used any of the last 1-2 year old web 2.0 apps........that was not lame but SUPER lame.

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BV2312 — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:26:30 GMT

I just remembered that Microsoft did buy Danger Inc, this year, could we see a iPhone killer? lol

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BV2312 — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:16:11 GMT

Software turnover from beta to full release is so slow at Microsoft, I think as a community we should try to make Microsoft see that...

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Alimaggs — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:56:29 GMT

Surely I'm not the only person that thinks the Windows Live branding itself is kind of a weak point?

I can see the idea behind the branding - Windows Live has become an extension of windows (rather than the 'online services' it began as) with photo gallery, the mail client etc... But surely, part of the reason why Facebook and Apple do so well is the cool-ness factor of their branding and, less so recently, but Google's the same.

Windows is not cool. Vista is cooler than XP but neither product is particularly 'down with the kids'.

If it were me working on the wave 3 UI and product range, I'd drop the "Windows" from Windows Live, and have all the services run from live.com under the more social-networking-orientated wave 3 header - I'd shift ahead with the rebranding of the live.com search to whatever name they had picked out 6 months ago (before the Yahoo takeover bid) and shift that to its own domain and make the two seperate as it's just confusing NOT having windows live at live.com (home.live.com anybody? No?).

It's a mess. If MS wants to make money out of Windows Live, it needs to actually be cool. I think what the Live suite does is fantastic, but I'm slightly geeky, along with probably 90% of Liveside.net's reader base. The average person thinks Facebook is cooler, and that Google is cooler and that Apple is cooler. It's all about the brand, and the branding, and nobody is realising this yet.

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Chris — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:55:35 GMT

@MisinformedDNA: That line was ammended straight after posting for the reasons you mention and because the Apple website was updated with actual information.

@Quikboy: I agree its not that innovative compared to existing stand-alone services, but as a package, its definitely more compelling than WL.

@HB8: Great example of what I feel too.

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Avatar X — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:47:10 GMT

i think that you missed several very important notes.

1.- Windows Live is the unbundled version of the core software packages of iLife.

2.-MobileME is the replacement of .Mac

3.- the software they have show is a update of the preview "visor" software in .Mac

4.-This new software was build with Sproutcore basis, software that .Mac had used before.

5.-MobileMe should be seen as the Online version of iLife. so i think that is where you are coming from with the windows live angle.

6.-the only truly new thing in the whole deal is the new contact agent and the software. together they are a evolution of ActiveSinc and Live Contacs. something that slightly alluded rudely during the keynote when someone said "activestink" and the official slogan that says "exchange for the rest of us"

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BuciboLebo — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:34:52 GMT

Please share more about the upcoming Windows Live Mail and how it incorporates calendar. That is new to me.

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incendy — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:58:39 GMT

Meh, the thing I love so much about the Live Search, Live Maps, Live Writer, Mesh etc is the programming API's. This seems like just another apple tool for simpletons. Boring

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quikboy — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:33:36 GMT

I agree. That's one thing I like about Apple; They can get their act together and release an online service that already rivals what Live has to offer. And it already looks much more coordinated and cohesive than the tangled bunch the Windows Live, Live Search, and MSN are doing.

But, it's just merely a copy of what Windows Live, Google, and Yahoo! have been doing for a long time.

$99 for a glossy interface and a copy of what other services have done for years:

Storage - SkyDrive already does 10GB of storage for free. AOL does 25 for free. 20GB for $99 doesn't seem appealing, does it?

Mail - Exactly like the Yahoo! Mail web interface. Except for "Quick Reply" nothing new there.

Address Book - Again, Live has a pretty nice contact system.

Calendar - Google does a great job on this one.

Gallery - Can you say Flickr? Though the uploading tool is kinda useful.

iDisk - I think Live Mesh covers this pretty much, eh?

What a joke.