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OurView: The Opinion Blog

Windows Live Wave 2 - How it looks so far

With the Windows Live Wave 2 rollout expected this autumn/fall, Kevin Johnson describes it as "the must-have free upgrade to the Windows experience." Is Kevin being optimistic or is there enough available already to warrant this description?

The launch of the updated desktop applications (Messenger, Mail, Writer, Photo Gallery) as part of a core Windows Live suite will be a key part of this strategy, promoting the full offerings of Windows Live to those users who may have, up to now, limited themselves to the products they already know. The question is whether enough has been done to satisfy and excite these users, as once lost they are unlikely to return again in the immediate future.

Writer clearly has no problems in this regard, however the Windows Live counterpart, Spaces, seems to be struggling to keep pace with its social networking rivals. The challenges involved in scaling Spaces to the millions of users it supports is perhaps most evident in the large periods between releases. In comparison Facebook and others are increasing the features gap, leaving Spaces trailing behind.  Even with the possibility of a Windows Live Events service in the future, one individual said to me, " if it took Spaces 2 years to fix ordering lists, what chance do they have of catching up with the leaders now?" This is also shown by the ommission of Spaces from the latest ComScore social networking growth figures, presumably because it is not counted as a social networking service. This is potentially a big issue for Microsoft, and one that needs to be addressed fast.

This Wave 2 update is also the beginning of what Ozzie calls "Software and Services", with the services component itself broken down into both web and mobile. The ability to easily interchange between these two states can be seen already from the existing products: Mail / Hotmail, Photo Gallery & Writer / Spaces, and perhaps in the future Calendar desktop / Calendar. Underpinning all of this is the work being done on Live ID by a team who recently released Live ID v5. Kevin Johnson showed a lot of passion for their work last week; it'll be interesting to see what role they play as we continue on towards the end of the year.

Overall Wave 2 is looking good so far, but there is still a lot more that needs to be done. Microsoft is starting to fall behind in areas it once excelled in, lets just hope this is due to the focus on Search and Windows Live Core.

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wideawakewesley wrote re: Windows Live Wave 2 - How it looks so far
on Tue, Jul 31 2007 11:37 PM

Chris, you're right about Spaces, it's definitely getting left behind. Also, with regards to ordering lists. When you wait over two years for a must have feature, you'd expect them to give you a great solution or even an adequate solution, not a piss poor one.

jackiboi wrote re: Windows Live Wave 2 - How it looks so far
on Tue, Jul 31 2007 11:47 PM

I really do hope that spaces reaches that level that Myspace etc. have achieved, because there has been so much effort put into making it look good, although they are lacking in the feature aspect, it is a great service and widely used by blogger, just not as a social network. Plus there needs to be more advertising for their services.

quikboy wrote re: Windows Live Wave 2 - How it looks so far
on Wed, Aug 1 2007 4:13 AM

The big problem with Live Spaces is the social networking part.

Live Spaces is a great place for casual blogging, but not for social networking.

Until there's a way to meet up with my high school friends, or view things going on around this area of my city, then Live Spaces will continue to 'not' be a social network, and will continue not to be popular as a so-called social networking service.

I'm really hoping that they'll revamp MSN Groups (big time), and integrate it into Live Spaces, as Windows Live Groups.

And then add an option for hooking up to a school network like Facebook-style.

If anything, that's what they should consider.

the andyman wrote re: Windows Live Wave 2 - How it looks so far
on Wed, Aug 1 2007 11:50 AM

If they thought about it then MS could make Spaces a great social networking site with loads of features just using services that they already have.

Live ID and Messenger integration are the main strong points that make people use Spaces in the first place. There are millions of people with a Live ID and loads of these use Messenger so it makes sense to have more integration to get more users and get these users to actually use Spaces more than once. Using Live ID means that users should be able to have easy access to their friends anyway, if they expanded the Friends List and made it so you could do more with the people on your list than just sending messages then surely people would choose Spaces as the "easier" (to get and use) option over MySpace or Facebook.

Calendar and Live Maps integration would make a great Events service that could also benefit if there was a Calendar desktop program as more integration normally means more users (who at least try the services).

However there is still a huge component missing: music. MySpace is the main place on the internet for bands to show their stuff and pick up a following of users. The closest thing that Spaces has are music lists, which are pretty pathetic really. It needs something similar to MySpace Music where bands can signup and upload their music etc.

Also, if anyone wants to read more about "wave 2" (including the implications for WLMessenger) then I wrote a quite detailed news post about it a while ago on Messenger Stuff: http://www.msgstuff.com/news/post/309/

LiveSide - News blog wrote LiveSide Wave 3.0 Is Here
on Wed, Aug 1 2007 11:25 PM

Chris noted that Wave 2 of the Windows Live products and services is fully underway with new updates

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