On blogs and leaks and news

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nikhil_jain — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:25:36 GMT

Windows 7 Beta1 and RTM Date Leak Out...

27 Oct first day of PDC 2008 due date for Beta1.. and 3 june 2009 date due for Final RTM...

A less than yr is left for new OS...

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orcmid — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:23:48 GMT

Well said, Kip. The "what's wrong with this picture?" aspect of antisocial opacity regarding social-software development is a little startling.

I do trust in Microsoft's capacity for change, although it doesn't happen uniformly across the organization, any more than in any large company. I just hope that the appearance of paralysis is superficial.

PS: It was great to finally meet you. We must find other mutually-interesting events.

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magicalclick — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:12:43 GMT

Keep up the good work. This is one place I get all the cool Wave3 details. Yes, there are leaks, but it is not like those leaks will affect MS Stock. Apple stock drop because the new neno is not touch based like everyone was hoping for. Once the announcement is over, the hope is all gone, the leak are all true, thus, disappointments.

Firstly, Wave3 is not that hyped anyway. I barely know people around me really use Live service. It is a sleeper service that beg for more publications and advertisements. If you ask me, Wave3 is for us, to keep us from switching with all the cool new features.

Second, Wave3 is an existing service based on ads, which has really low stock impact. Wave3 won't ramp up too much ads until MS can properly advertise the brand name.

Third, the one that hasn't been leaked is more concerning. I think GoogleMap's user route is good feature (the main reason I still support GoogleMap), and yet there is no info about LiveMap catching up. Just like lack of commitment to catch up iPhone GUI with Windows Mobile. The problem not only is not innovative on some ground, but failed to catch up, that's what makes MS weaker and weaker.

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orionll — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:13:05 GMT

Nice artice,

Soon I'll have some news to share, if I get accepted into the Windows Live Wave 3 beta (which should be sometime soon, they said 2 weeks, and today's the day!).

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levi3man — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:32:00 GMT

I had a conversation with a friend about this just last night, after i watched Jobs keynote about the new ipods on the apple website. I never heard of the new features about the ipods, never heard about the look, i was suprised, it was an announcement. what an announcement is meant to be. However on the other side of the riverthe grass is less greener with Microsoft, we as enthusiast leak, explorer and share any snippet of information we get our hands on, slowly building a picture of a beach out of grains of sand and in the end we have a complete picture of a service or product that microsoft is yet to announce thus taking all the fun and excitement out of it.

To be honest i dont know what i am saying, like a little kid, i constantly open up internet explorer or Viigo on my windows mobile phone to see if there are any new "liveside" posts. I am excited to hear about new software, but at the same time it is detrimental to microsoft. it is basically sucking the good bits out of microsoft before microsoft can present these goodies.

Maybe i would like to hear these new peices of info from Microsoft itself, from their blogs, much in the way that "Major Nelson" entertains the xbox communities, i agree with you when you talk about the lack of communication from microsoft via their blogs, some of which i have seen havent been updated for MONTHS.

However if its from microsoft, they will be able to tease an excite us withought giving to much away thus giving us something to look forward when the big announcement comes.

So liveside, dont doo too much digging, and to micorosft if your reading, be more open but closed, release often infor often but not all of it, keep us interested not bored, make us believe your working on something rather than us thinking a development group has gone on holiday or somethng.

thanks

Levi Freeman

levidesigns.wordpress.com

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ccpljat — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:30:21 GMT

This is a great article. I am constantly searching for news about technology, especially Windows and Windows Live. I can't wait till wave 3 comes out.

One thing Microsoft might not have considered is that, when they give teaser information, a lot of times it sparks future user's imagination and they might could suggest better ways of doing particular functions or a different place for it, etc. When it is still in beta, there is still time to read the comments and change. Once it is out, guess what. You have to wait till next year!

I hope someone from Microsoft reads this post.

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surilamin — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:46:29 GMT

In my opinion, I think Microsoft freaked out from what happened to Vista. Vista is a great OS and I use it daily, but its not what it could have been. If Longhorn had been done right and released on time, it would have been an amazing OS and would have crushed Mac and Linux.

Microsoft received a lot of backlash from the community for killing features and then ultimately restarting the Longhorn project. MS was very open about Vista, and I think they're going in the opposite direction to try to make sure something like this does not happen again, under-promise over-deliver.

If the next couple releases and cycles go well, I think MS will reach some middle ground, where they are more comfortable in communicating with the company.

I also believe that Microsoft has Apple envy. Jobs can stand up and say/present any piece of ***, and the fanboys will go nuts, defending the product to the death. They never communicate to their users, release buggy products, but still have a very dedicated base.

Hopefully they will start communicating with the community again, but I do not think we will see it until after a successful release of WIndows 7.

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BV2312 — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:28:09 GMT

Personally they should let us on the secret but i enjoy finding out by hunting too... it's fun.

But the problem is that we may have links to sites we are still no where near finding out about other products live Favourites, My Live, Alerts (which still uses V1 header), Gallery and Frame (which doesn't have a link on the new V3 header)

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Alber1690 — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:09:43 GMT

Nicely said Kip. Very nice...proud to be part of the LiveSide community. They have to acknowledge that we're the beta testers they later seek who expect to have their system crash unexpectly one day and use their other beta product to perform a backup, and for them to learn and create better products. In return can we not at least talk about our experiences and desires to seek what they have created in response to the feedback we had provided? It is a passion we develop and pursue. It is the same passion that Microsoft has promised to hold true to. And it is our potential as much as theirs.

@BV2312: Haha...!

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rgonzruiz — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:01:03 GMT

Agreed. And taking it one step further: not only should companies be more open in the sense of "alright, alright, lets get this little piece of info out today and that other little tat tomorrow", but the company who actually realizes that we are a living, breathing entity ready to establish a complete, thoughtful and constructive communication channel and adopts a policy of even involving entire blogging communities into brain storming as well as, to a degree, decision making, that company will succeed faster in implementing their social projects...

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BV2312 — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:07:11 GMT

Space Craft just posted! lol

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VasiS — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:59:57 GMT

Nice Article. Agree with you that Complete Information Lockdown is not good for everybody involved. Interestingly the Internet and community related products/teams of Microsoft are the least to Post Blogs (except Live Mesh). Atleast the Windows 7 Engineering blog is a step in the right direction, hope everybody sees the positive response and move in the same direction.